I would say it is becoming effective. I was bemused to see that my visit in April was featured in the national newspaper. There have been ongoing talks between Canada and China before, during, and after the Michaels. Minister Guilbeault went last fall, as we know. Minister Joly spoke with her counterpart for two hours in January, and saw him in Munich in February. She has spoken in person or on the phone with her counterpart five times since 2022. As was mentioned by Ambassador May, Minister Blair recently sat with his counterpart in Singapore.
I would say we are on track to a different kind of relationship than we had at the end of the Michaels saga, for reasons everybody will understand. From December 2018 until the end of September 2021, we had a pretty narrow focus in our relations. It's taken some time to put things back together after that.