We are partners, just to be really clear. We carry all of CTV's specialty services, so we meet with them all the time. We're constantly in negotiations with them on the rates of those specialty services. They talk to us every week when they provide us with the list of services they want to have substituted, as a part of the simultaneous substitution. We do have a dialogue with them.
On getting into a hypothetical discussion on what degree of pain we would be prepared to accept with fee-for-carriage, we've said we're not prepared to accept any. You saw what happened to Phil Lind yesterday. I think Phil was answering a question on whether he would accept the American model. He told us he intended to say he wouldn't accept the American model, and clearly CTV or Canwest wouldn't accept it either because they would never accept the notion of non-mandatory carriage.