Evidence of meeting #31 for Canadian Heritage in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was artists.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sylvie Gamache  Director General, Conseil québécois de la musique
Christophe Papadimitriou  President, L'OFF Festival de jazz de Montréal, Conseil québécois de la musique
Jean-François Denis  Director, DIFFUSION i MéDIA, Conseil québécois de la musique
Carole Therrien  Vice-President, Effendi Records Inc.
Luc Fortin  President, Local 406 of the American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada, Guilde des musiciens et musiciennes du Québec
Bob D'Eith  Executive Director, Music BC Industry Association
Alain Pineau  National Director, Canadian Conference of the Arts

Noon

Conservative

Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON

But the five-year, $138 million extension of the Canada Music Fund, the overall fund that supports Canadian music, provided certainty to the industry. No government had ever provided a five-year extension of it before. It allows you to count on what is there for support, despite what may happen; you know there's all kinds of talk that the government is going to have to move from a position of providing stimulus to the economy to budgetary restraint in a couple of years, but both the music industry and the broader arts industry know they are not going to be part of that because we've made commitments five years out. Isn't it important that we've done that?

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Give a very short answer, please, because our six minutes are up.

Noon

President, L'OFF Festival de jazz de Montréal, Conseil québécois de la musique

Christophe Papadimitriou

We have all said that we have nothing against these subsidies and an extension of the funding. We are in complete agreement with that. As for digital, there is no problem. Nevertheless, why do away with this subsidy for specialized recording, which is so important? Why eliminate this small amount?

We have nothing against the extension of funding for the Canada Music Fund, and digital music. Nevertheless, I think that these two things can take place together. We must not eliminate this fundamental component.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Please make your answer very short.

Noon

Director General, Conseil québécois de la musique

Sylvie Gamache

At the outset, we rejoiced in this good news. The problem lies really with the fact that this $1.3 million fund has been reallocated. That is what we are really talking about. This is hurting about 100 artists, every year, and is jeopardizing the entire specialized music sector.

Noon

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Thank you very much.

I appreciate hearing your positions this morning, and your answers to the questions.

We'll recess for about five minutes as we bring in our next witnesses.

Thank you.

12:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

We'll call the meeting back to order for our second hour.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), we continue our study on cuts to the Canadian musical diversity program.

We have as our next two witnesses Mr. Bob D'Eith, from Music BC Industry Association, and Mr. Alain Pineau, from the Canadian Conference of the Arts.

Go ahead, Mr. D'Eith, please.

12:05 p.m.

Bob D'Eith Executive Director, Music BC Industry Association

Thank you.

Music BC is an non-profit music industry association dedicated to the development and growth of the music and music-writer companies in British Columbia. Our mandate is to act as a non-profit society that supports the spirit, development, and growth of the B.C. music community provincially, nationally, and internationally. Music BC provides education, resources, advocacy, opportunities for funding, networking, and a forum for communication. We have over 800 paid members and 4,000 active subscribers to our weekly e-news. Membership covers all genres of music and extends from artists to studios to labels to managers and all other industry personnel. Music BC is also the FACTOR-affiliated office for British Columbia.

As far as my background is concerned, I'm the executive director of Music BC and I'm a practising music lawyer. I've been in the business for 20 years and acted in many capacities, from artist to lawyer to label executive. As an artist, I've been nominated for two Juno awards and won two western Canadian music awards. I'm on the FACTOR national advisory board and on the executive of CIMA, formerly CIRPA, the Canadian Independent Music Association. I'm a member in good standing of SOCAN and the American Federation of Musicians.

On behalf of Music BC and the board of CIMA, I applaud the government for renewing the Canada music fund for five years at full funding levels. This commitment to stability and growth of Canadian music regionally, nationally, and internationally is exactly what the music industry needs. Many in the industry were consulted on the need to renew the Canada music fund and this message was received and acted upon. Making the renewal for five years will allow the industry to plan for the future in order to make real progress in the continuing growth of the music industry.

Renewing the Canada Music Fund will ensure that funds such as FACTOR, MUSICACTION, and the collective initiatives and music entrepreneur components stay fully funded. This is also welcome news to the Canadian provincial music associations, which access funding through FACTOR to create needed programs for Canadian musicians and the music industry personnel that we support.

As far as Canada Council and the musical diversity program are concerned, this has served the non-commercial genres well for many years, and many wonderful recordings of Canadian classical, jazz, folk, and rural genres have been funded by the program. Notable B.C. artists include the Vancouver Chamber Choir, Veda Hille, and Amanda Tosoff Quartet. While FACTOR does do a great deal of diverse music, the Canada Council has been able to fund additional projects that were not meant for commercial use. This funding of the arts for art's sake has been an important part of the fabric of our society and has enriched Canadian cultural landscape.

Also, distribution assistance through the program has served such organizations as the Canadian Music Centre, which presently has been distributing the CBC classical catalogue. Cutting these funds will affect that greatly.

In terms of what the music industry needs, the music industry was greatly affected by the cancellation of the Trade Routes cultural export program. Those cuts, along with cuts to the Canadian cultural representatives at Canadian consulates around the world, left a huge void in the music business.

For example, before these cuts, Music BC was able to bring a number of music supervisors up to Los Angeles to meet with local artists. Within one week, a local artist, Kelly Brock, placed three songs in the popular CSI series and was able to finance her entire tour that year.

Since that time, local artists and companies have placed dozens of songs in U.S. television series and movies. Also by way of example, the Western Canadian Music Awards has been able to bring in buyers from all over the world, including the Glastonbury Festival and South by Southwest in Austin. The benefits would be greatly diminished in terms of this international representation.

Prior to the renewal of the Canada Music Fund, the music industry was consulted on our specific needs in this new music paradigm. With the Internet playing such a large role in artistic development and marketing, a digital sales and marketing program was requested. Also, with the cancellation of the federal Trade Routes export program, the music industry isolated the need for music export marketing. The export of music outside of Canada accounts for 40% of the revenues of larger Canadian independent music companies. The Department of Canadian Heritage listened to this request and tabled both digital sales marketing programs and an export marketing program.

While these programs have been announced with the renewal, the details and administration of these programs have not yet been determined.

A lot of blame has recently been allocated to FACTOR in the press and by some lobbying groups about the reinstatement of the program. While an agency is undoubtedly needed to administer programs, it's my understanding that neither FACTOR nor MUSICACTION requested to be the administrator of any reallocated funds. And if they do become the administrator, it will be at the request of the Department of Canadian Heritage.

It's also very important to know that at no time did the music industry ever request a reallocation of funds from the Canada Council for these new programs. The music industry values the work of the Canada Council and did not ever suggest that these programs be funded by elimination of Canada's music diversity program. The decision is that of the Department of Canadian Heritage, not the music industry.

In conclusion, it is very unfortunate that the Department of Canadian Heritage has felt compelled to make a policy decision that will create two new programs at the cost of an existing program. The easier and perhaps better route would have been to increase overall funding to allow for the new programs.

In any event, it is imperative that the Canada Music Fund be allowed to roll out in a timely fashion. The entire industry awaits the implementation of the fund.

Thank you.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Thank you.

Our next speaker is Mr. Pineau, please.

October 22nd, 2009 / 12:15 p.m.

Alain Pineau National Director, Canadian Conference of the Arts

Mr. Chairman, members of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage, as has just been said, my name is Alain Pineau and I am the National Director of the Canadian Conference of the Arts, or the CCA. I would like to thank you for giving the CCA this opportunity to intervene as part of your study on the recent cuts to the musical diversity support programs.

The CCA is the largest and oldest cultural organization in the country. Established in 1945, it represents a broad range of members covering all cultural disciplines, all lifestyles and all regions of the country. The CCA defines itself as the national forum for the arts, culture and heritage sector. It provides information, analyses, research and, from time to time, opinions on all of the political issues which, at the federal level, have an impact on the Canadian cultural sector.

Given the breadth of its mandate and the large perspectives it is called upon to adopt, the CCA rarely intervenes with respect to specific issues like the one currently in front of you. But it will intervene when, as we deem to be the case here, some fundamental principles are at play with respect to the health of the Canadian cultural sector and the welfare of the hundreds of thousands of artists, creators, and arts professionals who work in it.

The CCA has publicly rejoiced in the fact that the government has committed to a five-year renewal of the Canada Music Fund. We welcome the fact that the Minister of Canadian Heritage has recognized the need to increase the money available for digital and international market development. Those two sectors of activity will certainly benefit from the increased money they will receive through FACTOR and MUSICACTION.

It is, however, most unfortunate that this needed injection was done at the expense of what we deem to be an important strategic investment in Canadian cultural diversity. These programs that have been abolished foster the development of new forms of music that are not necessarily commercially viable immediately, or ever for that matter, but could eventually become so.

Why does the CCA invite the government to seek new funding to maintain those programs? First, because investing in what is deemed to be at the fringe today may well shape our culture tomorrow. Second, because it is important for the federal government to help develop the incredible, inexhaustible natural resource we have; namely, the diverse cultural communities that weave the new fabric of Canadian society.

We do believe that one of the responsibilities of the federal government is to invest in experimentation, which will lead to the development of new forms of music by Canadian artists. This is like risk capital or investing in fundamental research in other sectors of our economy.

Moreover, we believe that it is through modest programs such as the ones that were terminated that Canada is meeting within its borders the commitment regarding cultural diversity that our successive governments made when they ratified and then supported internationally UNESCO's 2005 Convention. Cultural diversity begins right here, by supporting our own creativity, which is rooted in the rich diversity of our population.

As for the economic argument, we have presented several examples of musical genres or of musicians that successively went on from the programs managed by the Canada Council to the programs of FACTOR and of MUSICACTION when their reputation led them to some kind of commercial viability. Canadian Celtic music is an example, as well as the artists of various cultural origins in genres such as gospel, jazz, experimental music, without mentioning small classical music ensembles that only have a modest catalogue of recorded works. Besides, the argument of administrative streamlining does not seem to be valid in this case. In fact, if we go by the information included in the summary evaluation that was made in 2007 on behalf of Canadian Heritage, there is very little duplication between the programs that were terminated and the programs of FACTOR and MUSICACTION.

Last Tuesday and also earlier, you had the opportunity to hear about this from the artists who came to testify: the relatively modest sum of $1.3 million that was invested in recording and distributing so-called specialized music made a world of difference for artists, creators and small ensembles, some of which are very well known, although they are not commercially viable, in the way that MUSICACTION uses this term.

The communiqué announcing the renewal of the Canada Music Fund and the disappearance of the program supporting musical diversity stated that:

Music industry business models are changing. Businesses that were once largely concerned with sales of physical formats need to diversify their revenue streams (for instance, through live music and merchandising) and use digital models (including on-line stores, subscriptions, over-the-air mobile downloads, and streaming) to promote and sell their content.

We fully agree with this statement, and it is the reason why, this week, we suggested to the Minister of Canadian Heritage that he should find at least $1.3 million, the sum that is needed in order to restore the terminated programs, which is a priority that we consider to be just as important as the priority of increasing the budgets of the FACTOR and MUSICACTION programs for their market development.

Many artists are already recording, performing, touring, promoting, and distributing through the support of the Internet, but they cannot move their work to the next level of economic viability without support programs like the ones that were terminated.

A recording for specialized creators and ensembles is a business card. It's the promotion of a tour. It may be the gateway to successful distribution through the Internet. The latter is something those artists and ensembles are now most unlikely to achieve. A case in point is the demise of the non-profit distribution services of recordings administered by the Canadian Music Centre, thanks to the financial support from the Department of Heritage. At a cost of $150,000—I repeat, $150,000—the CMC distribution services make it possible for over 1,300 titles produced by some 200 small independent Canadian labels to achieve international distribution. By grouping together catalogues too small to be considered individually by distributors, the CMC has been able to negotiate on their behalf with the likes of Nexus or the Independent Online Distribution Alliance, giving those Canadian artists access to 300 online distribution services and to more than 2,000 public library re-subscription services. The program supports the development of markets for those Canadian niche formats that would not otherwise be able to reach their audiences.

The CMC will have no choice but to close the distribution services of these recordings if the money is not available on April 1, 2010, and that's five months away.

We submit to you that $1.3 million a year is a very reasonable public investment to make so that emerging and experimental forms of Canadian cultural expression may take advantage of the famous long-tail effect in the new Internet economy.

Some might argue that if this is such a high priority, the Canada Council, whose budget was increased by $30 million per year last year, should find some way of getting the money that is needed for maintaining the terminated programs. The problem with this easy solution is that it ignores the fact that the $30 million that was added to the annual Canada Council budget is insufficient to meet many identified needs, which is why the CCA spoke out in other forums and asked that the base budget of the Canada Council be increased to $300 million by the year 2014.

Asking the Canada Council to compensate for the termination of the program from the Department of Canadian Heritage would in fact amount to some kind of cut, at the very moment when the Canada Council is liable to lose $9 million of its budget due to the strategic program review required by the government, without mentioning the loss of revenue from its foundation which, like all other foundations, has been hit by the economic crisis.

That's not to mention that the $30 million increase has been partly offset by the $20 million and more that has been cut in the past three years--my colleagues here alluded to that--from programs such as PromArt and Trade Routes, which has put additional pressure on the Canada Council to try to pick up the slack.

Hence, for all these reasons, on behalf of the CCA, I now invite your committee to recommend to the minister that he do whatever he can to find what is basically a very modest sum for restoring programs that support research and innovation in Canadian music along with the development of the cultural diversity that is characteristic of our population.

Thank you for your attention to this presentation. I am ready to answer your questions.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gary Schellenberger

Thank you.

We're going to do two rounds of five minutes each.

We'll go to Ms. Dhalla, please.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

Thank you very much to both of you for coming.

I was interested in Bob's opening comments. Were you actually consulted when the Minister of Canadian Heritage made the decision to make the cuts?

12:25 p.m.

Executive Director, Music BC Industry Association

Bob D'Eith

No. What I said was that we were consulted about the Canada Music Fund, but we were never asked whether that would be at the expense of any Canada Council funding. We were consulted on what our needs were.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

When was that consultation?

12:25 p.m.

Executive Director, Music BC Industry Association

Bob D'Eith

I met with the minister. I'm not sure if it was part of the formal consultations, but I actually met personally with the minister at my office around the time of the Junos, which was last March.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

We've had a number of witnesses here--Gary Cristall, a musician; Jesse Zubot; Nilan Perera; Mr. Érick d'Orion; Andrea Menard; and Bill Garrett--and we have been asking them continuously. No one was consulted, and as Alain was saying, they all found out about it through a press release, by watching it on television, or through the Internet that Friday at 4:30.

When you met with the minister, was there any discussion at all or indication that something along these lines would be coming in terms of the cuts to your program?

12:25 p.m.

Executive Director, Music BC Industry Association

Bob D'Eith

No. There was no talk of cuts. As I said, what we were asked about was what our needs were. We specifically talked about the cut to Trade Routes and the impact that would have on the music industry and also the changing music industry, generally, and how support for digital music sales and marketing is essential in this new age.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

What has been the impact since the announcement of the cuts to the programs in British Columbia and for your members in particular?

12:25 p.m.

Executive Director, Music BC Industry Association

Bob D'Eith

Do you mean the cuts to Trade Routes or the announcement of the cuts to this program?

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

I mean the announcement of the cuts to this particular program.

12:25 p.m.

Executive Director, Music BC Industry Association

Bob D'Eith

Obviously nothing has happened yet, because it's a new cut. Obviously a lot of artists who count on that for moving forward and for recording and promoting their music are suddenly without a home. FACTOR, for example, does fund classical and jazz and roots and folk, but there's a certain segment of those genres that will never get FACTOR funding or MUSICACTION funding. Those are the ones that really are being put in jeopardy now. I think the decision needs to be made there.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

Alain, I know that you were describing some of the dire results of not having the funding of $1.3 million. Can you please elaborate for the committee what the repercussions of this money will be for your members?

12:25 p.m.

National Director, Canadian Conference of the Arts

Alain Pineau

As I said at the outset, the mandate of our organization is not specifically that narrow. We really embrace the whole kitty. We're intervening here on the issue of principle.

I cannot tell how many artists will be affected. Others have, and it's on the record. They're in a much better position to do that. We're coming here in terms of investing in creativity and investing in developing cultural diversity in new formats and new genres. We are here to advocate for risk capital in this particular sector. We deem it a very small amount of money to invest in development, and it's much needed.

That's all I can say on this particular issue.

12:25 p.m.

Liberal

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

In terms of the other programs that exist—and you have a good sense of the needs of your membership right now—do you think there is anything in existence at the moment at the federal level that will be able to compensate for this $1.3 million?

12:25 p.m.

National Director, Canadian Conference of the Arts

Alain Pineau

Not that I am aware of—except, as I said, if organizations like the Canada Council are also asked to take from Peter to feed Paul. If we're talking about redirections within the envelopes, that's indeed the approach that seems to have been taken in this case, for whatever reasons. We're here to say “I don't think so, that's not the right idea”, but in the spirit—which we applaud—taken by the government in renewing and securing the current level of funding for five years, because I really don't think there have been major increases in the budget of the Canada Music Fund. There may have been some fringe increases, but essentially we're talking about a redirection of money that existed. The fact it is subject to votes of Parliament on a yearly basis and there's a commitment for five years is certainly something that is most welcome, and this has been expressed publicly. Mr. Moore quoted a number of our members who were lauding this. He doesn't have a quote from me, but he could, because from the above perspective, that's not the problem.

The problem is exactly what's been described in front of you during all of these sessions, in that you're taking away from something that is really important but doesn't seem so. It may have seemed at the first level, at first blush, there were duplications with the existing programs, but I think there's enough evidence here in front of you to show that is not the case. I hope the government will recognize that.