Evidence of meeting #35 for Canadian Heritage in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was crtc.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Hubert T. Lacroix  President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada
Sylvain Lafrance  Executive Vice-President, French Services, CBC/Radio-Canada
Kirstine Stewart  Interim Executive Vice-President, English Services, CBC/Radio-Canada
Ferne Downey  National President, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists
Joanne Deer  Director, Policy and Communications, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists
Peter Murdoch  Vice-President, Media, Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada
Marc-Philippe Laurin  President, CBC Branch, Canadian Media Guild
Karen Wirsig  Communications Coordinator, Canadian Media Guild
Maureen Parker  Executive Director, Writers Guild of Canada
Kelly Lynne Ashton  Director, Policy, Writers Guild of Canada
Monica Auer  Legal Counsel, Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

Exactly right. We're the only local station in P.E.I.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

To me, that doesn't make any sense. You're a public broadcaster.

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

We are not on Bell Direct or on Shaw.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

What is the justification for that?

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

They have no capacity, seemingly, to carry us.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Scott Simms Liberal Bonavista—Gander—Grand Falls—Windsor, NL

So it has to resort to over-the-air?

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

It has to resort to over-the-air.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Thank you, Mr. Simms.

Mr. Scarpaleggia.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Lacroix, I admire your passion for public broadcasting, which is on display today.

I'm not normally a member of this committee, so you'll have to excuse me if some of the questions seem a bit naive.

You're getting 1,200 access to information requests from the same source?

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

We've received 1,262. I think those were the numbers on November 26.

We never know where the access requests come from, but because the people who actually file those requests have been in the paper, and have been kind of gloating about the fact that this is what they've done--

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Where is it coming from?

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

From gentlemen named David Statham and Michel Drapeau. They work together, and they clearly identified their link back to Quebecor Media.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

It's interesting, because I normally sit on the environment committee, and we're dealing with a similar issue. We're looking at an environmental bill of rights, which would give citizens the right to complain against the companies that are hurting the environment. One of the concerns the Conservatives have raised is that this clause in the environmental bill of rights could be used by competitors to get at their competitors.

I found out the other day, when I was at a conference, that the Commission for Environmental Cooperation, which is in Montreal, as you know, which is a side body of NAFTA, has a mandate to investigate complaints about environmental infractions. They won't take complaints from competitors, one competitor against another.

Would you be in favour if, under the law or under regulation, competitors would not be allowed to abuse the ATIP system against other competitors? Is this something the government should be looking at? They don't like the idea when it's an environmental issue, but they seem to subscribe to it here.

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

You see, the law says that....

We're fine with this, by the way. We're fine with access to information that deals with the general administration of our business.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Is that what these ATIP requests are about?

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

If they are not about that, that's when—

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Of the 1,200, how many are about that?

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

Well, I couldn't give you numbers.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Is it 10%, 15%?

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

Frankly, I couldn't say. The requests that we get are all-encompassing. They refer to the salaries of anchors, to our programming strategies, to what we do every day.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Understood. I'll move on to another question.

Maybe I misunderstood, but were you saying that with some broadcasters the members of the board of directors are feeding stories to the newsrooms?

4:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

No. I invite you to read the article that Mr. Baillargeon wrote in Le Devoir. He says in that article that it seems that directors of different sections of this particular newspaper actually imposed the content to reporters of what should be said on different matters.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

I thought that under the CRTC-approved merger deals there were supposed to be murs mitoyens, Chinese walls, between administration and newsrooms. Did I misunderstand?

4:10 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, CBC/Radio-Canada

Hubert T. Lacroix

Sir, the answer is yes. I don't want to comment on it, because obviously I have a very partisan view. That's why I'm sending you to the two articles.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Understood.

Thank you.