Evidence of meeting #46 for Canadian Heritage in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was television.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Tim Southam  President, National Office, Directors Guild of Canada
René Savoie  Administrator, Alliance des producteurs francophones du Canada
Michelle Grady  Head of Film, Moving Picture Company
Dave Forget  Director of Policy, National Office, Directors Guild of Canada
Ann Mainville-Neeson  Vice President, Broadcasting Policy and Regulatory Affairs, TELUS
Prem Gill  Director, Content Programming, TELUS
André Provencher  Vice President, Creation & International Development, QMI Content, Quebecor Media Inc.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Did that competition come within the last 10-year framework, or has it been more in the last four to five years, when provinces got a lot more aggressive and followed the lead of the federal government in terms of the credit, seeing that there was potential for them to grow within the country?

4:25 p.m.

Head of Film, Moving Picture Company

Michelle Grady

Yes, it's exactly that. Ten years ago it was an industry that wasn't significant. It's been in the past four years.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Thank you.

There was another piece in your comments that relates to the independent film industry. I've heard specifics on some of the changes you'd like to see happen. I noted that strengthening the existing tools, such as tax credits, was a piece in your presentation.

I wonder if you could expand on that a little bit. It certainly is a tool that has been well utilized. It has presented a large number of companies with an opportunity to grow within the country, but if we're going to expand the existing tool of tax credit, how do you think we should do that?

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

In 30 seconds, please.

4:25 p.m.

Director of Policy, National Office, Directors Guild of Canada

Dave Forget

If you don't mind, Madam Grady, just to quote you, and I think it's a good example, you said that over time there has been an expansion and deepening of the system in terms of expertise and competency, that 10 years ago we were not big players in VFX. I think from today's presentation what we see over time with a predictable, stable tax credit system is the development of expertise, the development of infrastructure, of studios, of post-production. I think that VFX is a great success story on that score.

In terms of strengthening tax credits, our partners, as well as within Canada, are looking for predictability, for stability, and for a tool that very effectively leverages money into our system and into our jurisdiction.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

All right, thank you very much, and thank you to our witnesses. If you have any further contributions to our study, could you please get them to us right away. We are wrapping up the study and we're going to be working on the report very soon. If you could get any of those to us in the next day or two, that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for appearing today.

We will briefly suspend.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

We will call meeting number 46 of the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage back to order.

We're going to continue with our study on the Canadian feature film industry.

With us today we have, from Telus, Ms. Ann Mainville-Neeson, vice president, broadcasting policy and regulatory affairs, and Ms. Prem Gill, director of content programming.

From Quebecor Media Inc., we welcome André Provencher, Vice President, Creation and International Development.

Ms. Mainville-Neeson, you have the floor.

4:30 p.m.

Ann Mainville-Neeson Vice President, Broadcasting Policy and Regulatory Affairs, TELUS

I shall give the floor to my colleague, Ms. Gill.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

You folks from Telus have up to eight minutes.

May 11th, 2015 / 4:30 p.m.

Prem Gill Director, Content Programming, TELUS

Okay.

Thank you very much for the opportunity to appear today. I am the director of content for Telus. I am responsible for managing Telus’ community television commitments in British Columbia and Alberta. With me today, as you've met, is Ann Mainville-Neeson. She's our vice-president of broadcasting policy and regulatory affairs.

I am very excited to share with you details about a funding model we have created in support of the creative community in the west. In a manner that is quite unique among community programming services, Telus Optik Local’s funding model engages viewers in the funding decision, which in turn ensures that there is an audience ready and waiting to watch the programming once it is has been created and made available.

Telus operates broadcast distribution undertakings in B.C., Alberta, and Quebec, and as such we have committed to supporting the creation of local content. One of the ways Telus is allocating this funding is through our community programming funding program called Storyhive. Storyhive is a social platform that empowers audiences to move from being passive viewers to becoming active catalysts in creating, building, and supporting content creators in our communities. Storyhive is analogous to crowdfunding platforms such as Indiegogo or Kickstarter, except that instead of asking the community for money, content creators ask for votes to show community support for the content they want and they get funded and produced.

The Kickstarter-inspired model allows all content creators in British Columbia and Alberta to submit their story ideas, and then the public gets a chance to vote on the project that they feel should receive funding and go into production. The success of Storyhive is that communities get involved in the projects at their ideation stage, which results in viewership of the programming at the final stage of presentation on the community programming service.

Moreover, the Storyhive platform facilitates and encourages collaboration between the various components of the creative community in British Columbia and Alberta. An exciting component of the platform includes a creators directory, where directors, writers, producers, composers, social media specialists, and people with all kinds of backgrounds can connect. It's basically a mini LinkedIn for the creative communities of B.C. and Alberta. Telus also provides successful applicants with comprehensive training to allow them to create the best possible project out of their idea.

As of today, we have funded over 59 projects through Storyhive and more than 1,800 creators have been involved. I personally have met all of the 59 producers of these projects and I can honestly say these grants and the experience in audience engagement are making a difference. Our goal is to make Storyhive one of the most popular and credible funding sources for community content creators and emerging filmmakers in British Columbia and Alberta. In this way, Telus is supporting the creation of community programming that is valuable and relevant to today’s audiences.

We believe that there has never been a more exciting time for Canadian storytellers. Storyhive is a new and innovative way to reach audiences and create engaged communities by involving them in the decision-making. We’re not just creating content for the sake of meeting our regulatory obligations; we are creating meaningful content that Canadians want to watch. With this very open platform, anyone can apply for funding and get the help they need to bring their ideas to the screen. Storyhive is bringing a powerful force of creatives from B.C. and Alberta entering the market. So please stay tuned; you'll see lots more people coming from this platform.

Thank you.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

We will move along.

Mr. Provencher, the floor is yours.

4:35 p.m.

André Provencher Vice President, Creation & International Development, QMI Content, Quebecor Media Inc.

Mr. Chair, members of the committee, as I understand it, I am your last witness to appear in the context of this study. I very much appreciate the time that you are giving us today.

My name is André Provencher and today I am honoured to represent Quebecor Content and TVA Films, which is our business unit most specifically involved in feature film distribution and in audiovisual content for television markets, DVDs and digital platforms such as on-demand video and on-demand video subscription services.

Throughout its history, Quebecor has shown deep attachment to and unfailing, tangible support for Quebec francophone cinema. The project we call “Éléphant : mémoire du cinéma québécois”, launched in 2008 at the initiative of its principal share holder, is probably the most substantial illustration of that attachment and support.

To date, Quebecor has invested more than $6 million to restore 200 films from Quebec's cinema repertoire and has made them available to a wider public on a number of easily accessible platforms. The success and expansion of this philanthropic project are such that they now go beyond our borders, extending as far as the Cannes festival. Actually, in a few weeks, a few days, on Éléphant's initiative, the prestigious international festival will, for a second year, screen a classic from Quebec's cinema repertoire, Michel Brault's film Les Ordres.

That shows the extent to which Quebecor is committed to Canadian cinema, particularly French-language cinema. In that spirit, we are delighted with the study you are conducting on the Canadian feature film industry and we congratulate you on it. We are also grateful for this invitation to present our point of view to, and have discussions with, the members of the committee.

It must be said that the Canadian feature film industry increasingly has to deal with significant issues. A number of them arise as a result of the diversification of distribution platforms, especially digital ones. The multiplicity of choices open to consumers brings with it an evolution in behaviour that requires each of the players to redefine their strategic approaches and their particular position in the value chain. In that sense, we feel that it is necessary that any examination of the Canadian feature film industry should not only include the impact caused by the digital age but should also address the inertia that stands in the way of a genuine and worthwhile transformation of Canadian cinema. René Bonnell, the author of a particularly thorough examination of French cinema that was conducted last year, expressed the hope that we will avoid proposing changes while nothing really changes at all.

Indeed, adapting to current and expected challenges requires the Canadian feature film industry to question the foundations and the mechanisms that govern it. But we do not believe that new, more restrictive rules for Canadian distributors, or even adding new public funding without a new balancing of the business risk, can be among the solutions to be considered.

Historically, the Canadian feature film industry has allowed creators, filmmakers, artists and craftspeople to reflect our country's culture and values by building a rich, diversified and unique repertoire. This fundamental contribution has been largely built thanks to the policies and the funding that have been put in place over time by federal and provincial governments. We have certainly obtained a number of benefits from this, including a lot of filmmaking and an industry that generates indispensable economic results.

This must all now be consolidated and built upon in order to take advantage of the current digital environment. To that end, we have identified four changes or structural adjustments for your consideration, under the general heading of bringing cinema and the Canadian public closer and more strongly together. In other words, we want the starting point for any transformation of the industry to be with consumers.

The first change deals with the financial circumstances of the companies and their business risks. It seems to us that the time has come to review the distribution of the risk among the producers, who have to take very few risks, and the distributors, who are always financially exposed. We therefore congratulate Telefilm Canada for its recent initiative to review the weighting given to financial and qualitative factors in their analysis of the performance of feature films. In fact, we would be in favour of a weighting that would make financial criteria clearly predominant. That would allow the true extent of the financial risks undertaken by companies to be considered and, at the same time, create more focused incentives to seek private financing.

The second change deals with the selection of the feature films to produce and finance. The current process is dominated by government agencies. In recent years, those agencies have given disproportionate importance to art films to the detriment of films with more public appeal. We must become more concerned with popular cinema that will generate self-sustaining revenue that is essential for the survival of a number of aspects of the industry. From that perspective, the voices of distributers, promoters and theatre owners must be more clearly heard.

The success of feature films depends on all links in the value chain being involved in advance. Eventually, the method of selection must be “debureaucratized” and must be built on the envelope system similar to the one that contributes to the current success of the Canada Media Fund. Under that system, the market, not the bureaucracy, decides the programs to produce.

The third change involves distribution and tackles the particular situation of the francophone market. In 2012, our subsidiary, TVA Films, was forced to give up its theatre distribution activities because of the negative profitability and the excessive level of concentration in the hands of a virtual monopoly. Beyond the need to introduce and maintain more dynamic competition in the francophone market, we are of the opinion that the requirement for theatre showings should be progressively eliminated so that audiences can be reached wherever they are to be found.

In the United States, Netflix and YouTube specifically have announced that they will be producing films to be shown first on their own platforms. The marketing and distribution plan for a feature film must no longer be imprisoned in a “one size fits all” formula.

In fact, those plans must be tailored to more effective and profitable ways to promote the shows. In some circumstances, for example, projection simultaneously in theatres and on digital platforms would make it more possible to reach audiences in places far removed from large centres. Innovation and experimentation are values that are becoming increasingly indispensable in these areas.

The last change involves international co-production and exports. We can be proud that Canada has already taken concrete measures to encourage international exchanges, especially by means of co-production treaties. There are effective measures that can be made flexible in order to avoid undesirable effects like cost inflation. Our industry, our companies, should also be encouraged to seek out strategic and financial partnerships with their foreign counterparts, no longer in a piecemeal way, but more globally.

In conclusion, the Canadian feature film industry is facing major challenges that cannot be solved by minor changes. We have to review each of the conditions of development and make sure that they stimulate and empower all those involved so that Canadians and our entire film industry can reap the benefits.

Thank you

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

Thank you.

We'll now go to questions.

Mr. Yurdiga, you have seven minutes.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

David Yurdiga Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Thank you to the participants in today's discussion regarding our film industry.

I would like to commend Telus for investing in our film industry and other Canadian programs, which you guys have produced quite a bit through your programs.

Ms. Gill, could you give us a few examples of successes in the film industry?

4:40 p.m.

Director, Content Programming, TELUS

Prem Gill

As it pertains to Storyhive?

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

David Yurdiga Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Yes.

4:40 p.m.

Director, Content Programming, TELUS

Prem Gill

Maybe I'll give you some quick background on Storyhive. These are micro grants that fund short-form programming. We have funded short films and web series, and we're currently in a competition funding music videos. We don't fund feature films as these are micro grants, but this is the ecosystem that we hope these people will become part of. This is an incubator for a lot of this talent to experiment with and try to understand how the systems work.

With regard to some of the successes that have come out if it, we've had short films funded through Storyhive that have then come back to us, and we've given them larger grants to produce longer-form programming. We're seeing them go through our system. Some of these films have played at festivals like Sundance in the short-form programs, as well as the Vancouver film festival and some smaller festivals like that. We're hoping that part of our success will be that as this program grows—it's only been around for about a year and a half—these people will graduate into the system of producing larger pieces of Canadian programming.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Yurdiga Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

How many productions does Storyhive fund in a given year?

4:45 p.m.

Director, Content Programming, TELUS

Prem Gill

We have funded in the last year 59 projects. Our years sort of stumble between the calendar year and the broadcast year, but as of March, we've funded over $700,000 in grants to creators in B.C. and Alberta.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Yurdiga Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Could you elaborate on some of the successes among last year's participants?

4:45 p.m.

Director, Content Programming, TELUS

Prem Gill

Absolutely.

We just finished a competition for a web series. In that program, 30 projects competed for two prizes of $50,000 to be produced into series. The pilots are the first episodes you produce for a series. Once the pilots were presented back to the public, they were voted on. We were only going to fund one project in each province. We consider it to be one of the successes that we actually ended up funding two projects in each province, at $50,000 each, to make them into series, because there was such an interest in these projects. To date we've had about 85,000 views on YouTube of these projects, which we measure on our platform.

The content creators actually own all of their IPs, so their content is on their websites. Some of these people are premiering their content at web festivals in Toronto and other parts of North America. The successes are just beginning, these stories that we're starting to tell.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Yurdiga Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Telus' Storyhive doesn't use any government funding, but provides an opportunity for producers at all levels of experience to participate, and production succeeds or fails.

Why does this Storyhive model work?

4:45 p.m.

Director, Content Programming, TELUS

Prem Gill

That's a very interesting question.

I think it works because we're kind of bringing the community into the equation. They are helping us to make decisions on the programming.

We're teaching these folks how to build an audience. The risk is low in terms of it being a $10,000 grant. They are in the comfort and coziness of the Storyhive world where they're being nurtured and helped to understand how to build an audience, especially through social platforms.

I would say that's the biggest piece: helping them understand what building an audience is. It may be a global audience. It may not be just your local audience or a Canadian audience, but it's definitely people who are interested in their content.

It's an incubator for talent development, for people connecting together, and for local stories to be told in a different way from what you're traditionally used to seeing.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

David Yurdiga Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Moving on, I know that Telus has invested a lot of money in our communities to ensure that Storyhive works.

Can the Canadian film industry survive without government investment?