I would think, Madam Chair, that additional training needs to be done. If you look at comparators in the private sector, it was not fashionable even a decade ago to have any director training whatsoever. Now it would be very hard to get a board position in the private sector if you hadn't gone through the ICD training or one of the other groups that does this across the country. I certainly feel there is room for that in the public sector and always in arts organizations.
Largely, they're volunteer positions. Probably 99% of them are, including ours at the National Arts Centre board. I think you really need to take that into account. These are not positions that people are seeking to make a living from. In that sense, you're going to get a large variety of people who really do need to be focused and trained for those positions.