That's why I was smiling. When Mr. Blaney was asking you about this, the reality is that his predecessor, Peter Van Loan, was under the impression that this fair dealing exception had been abused.
Bizarrely, with collective bargaining—we will be fighting all weekend on collective bargaining and the postal system—collective bargaining is a right in Canada, and the publishers have organized this the best way they could to make this happen. In Quebec, it works, but in the rest of Canada, it doesn't seem to work.
This is why if I ask you if there is any fair dealing for hydro or insurance bills, you're going to tell me, well, it's.... Yes, I understand, but the principle is that they don't get the money anymore. That's it, period. Pfft. They try to make a living. So do the hydro guys and the cafeteria people in the university. That's the point.
I think that as politicians—I've been here seven years—we've heard all the typical lobby talk from everyone: “No, we'll stand on this; this is so important”, etc. The reality is that we'll have to get together and the reality is that we saw five years ago that the fair dealing exception has created big damages. Everyone was well intentioned, I would say, but the reality is that we have to talk and we have to reach a settlement.
On that point of view, if I have some time remaining, I will ask Mr. Hanson and Mr. Swail to tell me more about the K-to-12 nuances that you come here with. There is, of course, paying the copyright, but also, for me, when it's the K-to-12 period, it should be only Canadian literature, period.