Evidence of meeting #19 for Canadian Heritage in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clerk.

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Chris Champion  Editor, The Dorchester Review
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Jean-François Lafleur

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We will now go—

10 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

For clarification, I want it noted—

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Maguire.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

—that Mr. Tootoo did not receive the proper notification after he became an independent.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

But he also was a member of a political party when the chair sent out the notices.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

He was a member.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

One of the members of this committee was fully aware on Tuesday and sent in his list of witnesses as required under the rules.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Madam Chair, I think the key word there is “was”, and he has not received...since the reference.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

At that time Mr. Tootoo was still a member of a political party.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Darrell Samson Liberal Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook, NS

Madam Chair, this is the best role of repetition I've ever heard. I think I'd call the question. It's been there. Let's deal with this, please.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I am calling the clause-by-clause—

10 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Madam Chair, just to Mr. Samson's comment.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

This committee has agreed to proceed to the clause-by-clause—

10 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Just on Mr. Samson's comment.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I will now call the—

10 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

It's very good that we've done this, because it has made it very clear, even more so because of our insistence on following the rules, that Mr. Tootoo was not notified after he became an independent, which is in the rules of Parliament. Notwithstanding what we passed the other day, he was a member of Parliament with the Liberal Party at that time. He is not anymore, so therefore, I'm simply clarifying the fact that he did not receive a notice after 1:16 p.m. yesterday when he was notified by the government that he was an independent member of the House. That's all I'm saying.

10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I will make a ruling as the Chair that I think in all good faith at the time that the clerk sent out information to all members, that the honourable member for Nunavut was a member of a political party at the time, so I believe that the clerk and this committee did what it was supposed to do in all good faith.

I will now move to clause-by-clause.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

I'm only concerned, Madam Chair, as vice-chair of the committee, that we're breaking the rules and precedents of Parliament, which could be used in any other committee in the future.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Maguire, I think you are now out of order. You have heard the ruling of the chair. If you are challenging the ruling of the chair, do so, and I will put to this committee whether the chair's ruling is sustained or not. Are you challenging the chair?

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Yes, Madam Chair.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

I challenge the Chair in regard to the fact that Mr. Tootoo was not notified after he became an independent member, according to the rules of the House of Commons.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

The chair is ruling that the chair believes that all due process was followed and that we move to the orders of the day, which is to deal with clause-by-clause consideration. I will put this question.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

That wasn't my challenge, Madam Chair.

10:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

The motion on the floor, therefore, is that the chair's ruling be sustained. Do I have a vote on this motion?

(Ruling of the chair sustained)

I will now move to the first clause, which reads:

The schedule to the National Anthem Act is replaced by the schedule set out in the schedule to this act.

Are there any amendments? Is there any discussion or amendments to be placed on this clause?