Evidence of meeting #19 for Canadian Heritage in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clerk.

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Chris Champion  Editor, The Dorchester Review
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Jean-François Lafleur

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Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Madam Chair, I will respond to that.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

Without the proper information—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Order. If you are challenging the chair today, say so, and we will put it to a vote.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

I am challenging the chair's ruling because we had new information. I indicated that to you, that we had new information that we did not have at the previous time.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

And we—

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

We now have a clear case of that rule of this committee not being followed.

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Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

We have.

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Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

What information do you have? You have none.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

We now have the information that the member for Nunavut was not informed.

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Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

You have absolutely no information.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Vandal, please speak through the chair.

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Conservative

Peter Van Loan Conservative York—Simcoe, ON

The clerk has now provided us with information that the member for Nunavut was not given notice after the order of reference from the House of Commons. That is required. That means we cannot proceed. Our rules are not being followed. I am challenging the chair on her view that we should proceed with it notwithstanding that violation of the rules.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

You are challenging the chair. Mr. Van Loan, I think you have brought forward—and everyone around this table has heard you suggest—that you reject the ruling of the chair because of the fact that the member for Nunavut was not contacted 48 hours before.

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Liberal

Darrell Samson Liberal Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook, NS

I call the question—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Samson....

Everyone around this table has agreed that they will proceed anyway, so if you wish, I will call.... The question is already called.

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Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Madam Chair, there is one thing that needs to be clarified—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

We are now moving to the orders of the day:

The schedule to the National Anthem Act is replaced by the schedule set out in the schedule to this Act.

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Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

—and I have a question for the clerk to do that.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Are there any amendments?

Ms. Dabrusin.

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Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

I have no amendments to propose.

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Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Madam Chair, I have a question for the clerk. This goes very much to the rules of the committee and that new point of view, totally—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Yes, Mr. Maguire, you may ask the clerk a question, and then I am proceeding to the orders of the day.

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Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

Thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

You have challenged the chair—

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Conservative

Larry Maguire Conservative Brandon—Souris, MB

How can you do that, Madam Chair, when you don't know what my question is?