Evidence of meeting #21 for Canadian Heritage in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was museum.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Cynthia White-Thornley  Executive Director, Heritage Group, Department of Canadian Heritage
Guylain Thorne  Senior Director, Heritage Policy and Programs, Department of Canadian Heritage
René Rivard  Chairman, Cultura

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

I would have liked to have been better prepared before testifying before you today.

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

I'm certain that every committee member will want you to appear before us again.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Rivard, you can actually submit us a brief when you have more time.

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

Afterward?

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Yes. You can send it to us.

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

Okay. I will.

10:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Please feel free to finish answering Mr. Nantel's question.

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

For me, museums are like people.

It is the people.

It's their strength that needs to be improved. To do this, you need training and budgets to help them advance, to make their ideas a reality, to reach out to society and to share knowledge. They should also be provided better conditions for their work and their collections.

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

That's what the archives program did. There was initial capital to help people to develop local archives. This kind of measure would therefore be relevant.

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

Yes, for the archives and for objects.

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

It would be a sort of benevolent guidance.

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

That said, we need to do more than just collect and preserve these objects and documents. We need to be able to use them and make sure we do more.

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

You mentioned the great national vault, like the one in Norway.

Library and Archives Canada is the depository. I think in this case there are 30 linear kilometres.

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

Yes, but the museums don't have—

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

They don't have access?

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

10:30 a.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

There's a central vault in Montreal.

10:30 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

In Montreal, yes, but it's rented, and it's private. And many people would be interested in developing this in the private sector. It would involve ensuring good conditions in return for rental rates. The museums in Montreal use it. We're talking about 70%. The other 30% are used by families who want to preserve their heritage and by companies that also want to keep some items in a safe place. As a society, we have not yet found businesses that can meet these conservation needs. I am throwing this idea out to certain investors.

We tried to create a regional system in Rimouski, and we almost did it. The building owner was very interested, but we lacked funding for the shelving. Specialized shelving was needed both to make proper use of the space and to preserve what was stored. That would have cost over $150,000, and we did not manage to find the money. Still, the building was available.

10:35 a.m.

NDP

Pierre Nantel NDP Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

Moving on to the museum—

10:35 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you, Mr. Nantel.

I have allowed this to be a nine-minute session because, as I said before, our witness is so entrancing.

Next is Julie Dabrusin, for the Liberals.

10:35 a.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr. Rivard, I too visited your website, and I found it very interesting to see all your projects.

10:35 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

There are a few.

10:35 a.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Yes.

You mentioned Rimouski. I see that Rimouski has a regional museum.

10:35 a.m.

Chairman, Cultura

René Rivard

This regional museum does exist, but it has to be relocated because it is much too cramped in the building it currently occupies. It needs three times the space. It does a fairly good job with contemporary art and regional art, but it is also the legatee of the Québec-Téléphone collection, which is one of the most interesting technological collections of telephony in Canada. However, the museum cannot exhibit it or do anything with it because it doesn't have enough space.

We realized this project with the architect Pierre Thibault. We found a site and a regional reserve. In other words, if we created a new museum, we would be creating a secure building in an industrial park where all the objects from all the museums in the region—in particular objects from the Soeurs de l'Assomption and the Lamontagne House—would be sent and properly protected. We would keep a prime space for the public in the heart of the city.

10:35 a.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Right.

You have several projects in Sweden and France, but fewer in Quebec.