Let me take your first question first, and I'll try to be as quick as I can.
I think there are two colliding principles. It's unfortunate that they're colliding, but they are. One is journalism, news media. We all want it to stay as far away from government as possible. As you say, that has not always been so. Section 19 has been around since 1965. The CBC has been around since the 1930s. There is policy that governments have put in place. Nonetheless, that's principle one: we want to keep journalism as independent from government as possible. However, we want journalism, and particularly the reporting of original news of a civic nature, to be vibrant in a country that's lost 225 weekly newspapers, 25 daily newspapers, one-third of jobs, etc. We have a problem. How do you deal with that?
I think the public is very much onside with your view and Mr. Van Loan's view and my view that we don't want to create a dependency here in any way, that it would not serve democracy well. This is why we rejected the tax credit route, which I think has been the prime route that many in the industry have been advocating for. That route would have the industry coming back to government every year about its tax credit, and government every year doing its budget, looking at the consolidated revenue situation, having to decide whether to keep the credit at 20%, move it to 15%, or whatever. You'd be in a constant policy relationship, which is not good.
This is why we try to invite a structure—and I think this is really important to your question—such that they're not coming to government for this fund, but they're coming to what I like to call a double-arm's-length agency, which would be more independent than the Social Services and Humanities Research Council or NSERC or the Canada Council. It's set up on a governance structure that's used by the Canadian Foundation for Innovation, which is kind of complex, but ultimately the board of directors is not appointed by the government and the CEO is not appointed by the government, unlike the CBC, for instance. It's more independent than we are accustomed to. That would be making the determinations.
Now you may make the argument that it would not be sufficiently accountable, but the money is also not coming directly from government. The money is coming from an industry levy. We are trying on both sides of this equation to keep government as distant as possible. Government is required to set up the structure for this, clearly, but after that, government's out. You don't need to come back every year and do what's happening in Ontario right now in the lobbying for the return of the tax credit.