Evidence of meeting #2 for Canadian Heritage in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was meeting.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Thomas Bigelow

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Okay, folks, how about we get this going, because it is Friday? I shouldn't say that I anticipate having a longer meeting, but one never knows. Nevertheless, let us commence. I don't have a gavel.

Hello, everyone. First things first, we don't normally meet on Friday afternoons. Obviously, with committee work it's usually twice a week, on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. From what I understand, there are some technical issues and issues with the whips, so we'll have to wait patiently in the meantime.

I'll touch on that again when it comes to future meetings, which we'll do at the bottom part of this meeting just before we break for the weekend, but what I would like to do is just talk about a few things that I think are more housekeeping things than anything else.

Oh, I see that Mr. Fillmore is with us. It's good to see you, Mr. Fillmore.

I think Mr. Fillmore is looking to do his sound check. Is that correct? Is that necessary?

1:10 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Thomas Bigelow

Perhaps we can quickly do a sound check just to make sure it's okay, in case we do need to have him chime in for either a vote or an interjection at some point. It's probably prudent to make sure we have his audio working.

Mr. Fillmore, if you don't mind....

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Andy Fillmore Liberal Halifax, NS

Hi, how are we now? It looks like the video is good. How's the sound?

1:10 p.m.

The Clerk

We are good here in the room, sir. Thank you very much.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Andy Fillmore Liberal Halifax, NS

You can hear me? Okay. Thank you so much.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

You have the pleasure of being the only MP with a recorded-on-committee sound check. That's awesome. Congratulations, Mr. Fillmore, and thank you for filling in from the beautiful riding of Halifax. It's nice to see you.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Andy Fillmore Liberal Halifax, NS

Thank you.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

To ensure an orderly meeting, I want to outline a few rules for everyone to follow in this new reality that we're in, which is a hybrid situation. I will address in just a few minutes the issue that Ms. Dabrusin brought up before the meeting started.

Number one, members may speak in the official language of their choice. Interpretation services are available for this meeting. You have the choice at the bottom of your screen of either floor, English or French.

For members participating in person—and we have two—proceed as you usually would when the whole committee is meeting in person in a committee room. Keep in mind the directives from the Board of Internal Economy regarding masking and health protocols.

Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. If you are on the video conference, please click on the microphone icon to unmute yourself. For those in the room, your microphone will be controlled as is normal by the proceedings and verification officer. When you are not speaking, please put your mike on mute. I think we should know that by now, after three-quarters of a year of going through this process.

With regard to a speaking list, the committee clerk and I will do our best to maintain a consolidated order of speaking for all members when they are participating virtually or in person, so here's what I'm going to do. If someone brings up a subject matter that we are discussing, please use the indication at the bottom to put up your hand. If somebody has a topic that is new, not germane to the current topic, and they want to bring it up, they can get my attention, and I will do it the old-fashioned way: I'll write down your name. That way, I can refer to a list of new topics, which I will keep here.

Now, as far as the people in the room are concerned—Ms. McPherson and Ms. Dabrusin—obviously you don't have the “raise hand” function, but I will try to do that, and Tom will send me a text or get my attention to let me know that you wish to speak. This will be much easier after mid-November, as I plan to return to Ottawa to chair these meetings from where Tom is. That would make it a lot easier, but unfortunately I'm not there at the moment, as you can plainly see.

On my final point, should any technical issues arise, please advise the chair and please note that we may need to suspend for a few minutes, as we need to ensure that all members are participating fully.

Those are my notes.

Now, as you know, we are in committee business. This is the only thing that we have for today. We'll deal with a few motions, I would assume, but it occurred to us—or it occurred to Tom and then Tom told me—that there was one thing left out of the routine motions. We forgot to do it, so I apologize for that, and I'm scoping out the scene trying to find a volunteer to help us with this particular motion that we missed.

Mr. Housefather.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Hopefully, the sound is working. I tried to put the microphone in a different place that wasn't as obtrusive.

Is it okay, Tom? Thank you.

Mr. Chair, I'd like to move the following, on orders of reference from the House respecting bills:

That, in relation to Orders of Reference from the House respecting Bills,

(a) the clerk of the committee shall, upon the committee receiving such an Order of Reference, write to each Member who is not a member of a caucus represented on the committee to invite those Members to file with the clerk of the committee, in both official languages, any amendments to the Bill, which is the subject of the said Order, which they would suggest that the committee consider;

(b) suggested amendments filed, pursuant to paragraph (a), at least 48 hours prior to the start of clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill to which the amendments relate shall be deemed to be proposed during the said consideration, provided that the Committee may, by motion, vary this deadline in respect of a given Bill; and

(c) during the clause-by-clause consideration of a Bill, the Chair shall allow a Member who filed suggested amendments, pursuant to paragraph (a), an opportunity to make brief representations in support of them.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Okay. Has everyone heard this part of routine motions? Is there any discussion on the motion?

(Motion agreed to)

Thank you for that.

Sorry that I didn't provide too much background, but for those of you just joining us, we did routine motions the other day, but there was just the one that we had left out.

For committee business, folks, I basically see two streams here. Normally some committees like to have a subcommittee handle the agenda and decide what we'd like to do. With your forgiveness, I would like to do this with all committee members to begin with, and if we want to take something as part of the agenda to the subcommittee, I would like to get the blessing of full committee to do that before I just race ahead and say that we should have a subcommittee meeting.

Nevertheless, we are talking about what we'd like to do in the months ahead. Of course, we're still on a one-day-per-week schedule, so we have to operate that way right now. I foresee that changing, but I don't know when.

We have two schools of thought here, but before we get to that, I just want to say that we did receive notice from the minister regarding a motion that we had passed on bringing in the minister to discuss the main estimates. We have received notification that given the schedule that we have, the minister will be available November 6 from one to two p.m., and the officials would like to remain for two hours. So it will be the minister for one hour, and the officials for two hours.

Is there any discussion?

Mr. Waugh.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Thank you, Chair.

The minister would lead off at one o'clock Eastern time and the officials would be with him, and then the officials would stay from two to three. Is that the plan then?

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

That is correct. I'm looking for Tom to nod his head to confirm.

Yes. The minister would be here from one to two p.m., and from one to three would be the officials.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Kevin Waugh Conservative Saskatoon—Grasswood, SK

Okay.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Mr. Housefather.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Housefather Liberal Mount Royal, QC

Mr. Chair, my hand was up because of the previous motion. I should have lowered it, I guess. Sorry about that.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

That's okay. It's all good.

Of course, that motion has already passed, so it's not as though we need to pass another. I just wanted to bring to your attention that it will be November 6. As I say, we're still going off the fact that there's one meeting a week, which would be the Friday.

Allow me to return to the two things we have at play here. First, we have motions on notice that we can address, that we can look at, that have been proposed in this session. We did bring back the motions passed last session into this session, so we have to do two things. First, we have to look at what we currently have on the docket and what we'd like to do. Second, I'd like to go over the motions that we did pass last session to see what the committee would like to have as priorities over the next couple of months. We know there is legislation in the House, so we know that's coming at some point, but I can't really officially plan for that until, of course, it passes second reading.

I would like to start with the motions we've put on notice in this session. We have, from last meeting and this week, notices of motion by Mr. Champoux, Madame Bessette, and Mr. Rayes. Would anybody like to discuss those right now?

I see Mr. Rayes, and I think Ms. Dabrusin had her hand up first—is that right?—so it's Ms. Dabrusin and then Mr. Rayes. Thank you.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Thank you.

I think we're probably going to speak to the same thing, because draft wording was sent in by Mr. Champoux on behalf of all of us. By “all of us” I mean Ms. McPherson, Monsieur Rayes, Monsieur Champoux and me. We had all talked about amalgamating motions.

While it wasn't reviewed by all members of this committee, and I know Mr. Champoux didn't want it to seem like it was him proposing it as a motion specifically, I can say that it was wording that, if you seek it, I'm sure you will get confirmation that the vice-chairs, Ms. McPherson and I all agreed to.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Thank you for that.

Given that there were discussions, I guess now I'm looking for someone to....

Oh, sorry, Mr. Rayes; I need to go to you first. Go ahead.

October 23rd, 2020 / 1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

I wanted to say the same thing as Ms. Dabrusin. We, the representatives of the four political parties, met to combine our four motions. We reached a consensus. The resulting motion was tabled by Mr. Champoux on behalf of all of us.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Allow me to throw in my own little opinion here. Given what's been going on in the political landscape in this country, and even in the United States, wow, this is a refreshing breath of air, isn't it? It's fantastic. It brings tears to your eyes. Thank you.

Sorry, I don't mean to prejudice the motion in any way, shape or form. Maybe I just did; I apologize.

Is there any discussion on this particular motion?

No, sorry, someone has to move it. I apologize.

Monsieur Champoux.

1:20 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

I wanted to move the motion, Mr. Chair.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Can you read it in for the record, please?

1:20 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Certainly. I move:

That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), the Committee undertake a comprehensive study on the challenges and issues faced by the Arts, Culture, Heritage and Sport sectors during the COVID-19 pandemic; that it consider new measures that would: (a) draw up a clear picture of the impacts of the pandemic on their activities; (b) better identify their needs during the current crisis; (c) identify gaps in federal aid programs; (d) identify better support to these sectors which are disproportionally affected by the pandemic to better suit to their reality; and (e) facilitate getting artists, athletes and the cultural sector workers back to work; that it also consider measures to best assure and protect business continuity for events, festival, and sporting events in these specific sectors; that the Committee hold no less than four meetings on this subject; and that the Committee report its findings to the House as soon as possible.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Monsieur Champoux, thank you very much.

Is there any discussion on the motion put forward?

Mr. Louis.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

Tim Louis Liberal Kitchener—Conestoga, ON

It's more of a “thank you” to everybody. It just seems like this level of co-operation is.... I don't know how much of precedent this is. This is only my first time in. This is wonderful that everybody is on the same page. We all want to help, so I just want to say thanks.