Evidence of meeting #44 for Canadian Heritage in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clause.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Aimée Belmore
Danielle Widmer  Committee Clerk

2:10 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Mr. Chair, I'd like a clarification.

2:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

You have the floor, Mr. Champoux.

2:10 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Perhaps I misunderstood. If amendment PV‑26 is defeated, will amendment BQ‑32 still hold so that we can vote on it subsequently? Perhaps your explanations weren't quite clear.

2:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Yes, that is correct.

2:10 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

So if amendment PV‑26 is defeated, amendment BQ‑32 will be voted on. Correct?

2:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

That is correct, yes. If PV-26 is negatived, we will vote on BQ-32.

2:10 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Shall PV-26 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

2:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

As a result of that, I also have to negative NDP-13.

Now this may surprise you, Mr. Champoux, but we now vote on BQ-32.

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 18 agreed to: yeas 9; nays 2)

(Clause 19 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

(On clause 20)

We're going to start with BQ-33, which was put forward by Monsieur Champoux.

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

2:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

That brings us to BQ-34, which was moved by Mr. Champoux.

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 20 agreed to: yeas 7, nays 4)

(On clause 21)

2:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

We're starting with G-15, which was brought forward by Madam Dabrusin.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 21 as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

2:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Shall clause 22 carry?

2:20 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

Yes.

2:20 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Yes.

2:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

No...Sorry, I meant yes.

2:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Madam Clerk, go ahead—

2:20 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dabrusin Liberal Toronto—Danforth, ON

It sounds like they were all a yes, Mr. Chair.

2:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I'm sorry. They were all yes. I'm so used to someone opposing, I just can't get over the fact that everyone is unanimous. That's no reflection on you. That's just my abilities.

(Clause 22 agreed to)

I was alone at the head of the table for so long.

2:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

On a point of order, Mr. Chair.

2:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Mr. Rayes, you have the floor.

2:20 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Mr. Chair, I don't want to contradict you again, but this is not the first time that there is unanimity in the committee, even since the beginning of this clause-by-clause study of the bill. I would just like to reassure everyone of that.

2:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I just hadn't seen it in a while.

Mr. Rayes, your point is taken.

(On clause 23)

2:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

If you'll look at your hymn book, you'll see that G-16 is listed, but that was already carried. It was consequential to G-9. Therefore, we're going to just move on from there, because we're [Technical difficulty—Editor] the consequences of the G-9 vote to G-16, so you can take that one out.

That brings us to BQ-35(N). This amends the Broadcasting Act. It provides for a specific regime for the commission to impose a penalty to the corporation, CBC, under the proposed section 34.99. The circumstances cannot be done without holding a public hearing. That's basically what the amendment's saying.

The amendment aims at applying the same unique regime to a person carrying on a broadcasting undertaking, even though it's a different regime, and it does not contemplate a public hearing as proposed in the bill under proposed section 34.92, and I'm afraid that this goes beyond the principle and scope of the bill.

We are applying one to one, and you want to expand it to apply to the other. It's not envisioned within C-10. Therefore, I have to rule that it is, according to page 770 of the House of Commons Procedure and Practice, inadmissible for the purposes of the principle and scope of Bill C-10.

2:25 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Ouch.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I'm not sure if “ouch” comprises a challenge or not.

It's just a declaration of your pain. Is that right, Mr. Champoux?