Evidence of meeting #44 for Canadian Heritage in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clause.

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Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Aimée Belmore
Danielle Widmer  Committee Clerk

2:25 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Exactly. Yes, Mr. Chair.

2:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

It's duly noted in Hansard forever.

Let's move along.

We now go to NDP-14, put forward by Ms. McPherson. There is just one thing to note about this: If NDP-14 is adopted, BQ-36 cannot be moved, simply because they're identical, as two great minds think alike. If NDP-14 is negatived, so is BQ-36, of course, which follows the same logic that I just stated. Those two amendments, NDP-14 and BQ-36, are linked, but technically, officially, we are now voting on NDP-14.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Congratulations to both of you.

This brings us to the end of clause 23.

(Clause 23 as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

(Clause 24 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

(On clause 25)

2:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

We're on amendment PV-26.1.

For those watching us at home, PV is Parti vert, the Green Party. This has been submitted by the Green Party, by Mr. Manly.

Shall PV 26.1 carry?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

That brings me to amendment CPC-12.

In Bill C-10, it amends section 46 of the Broadcasting—

2:30 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Mr. Chair, I'm sorry to interrupt.

2:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Did I miss something?

2:30 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

CPC-12 was already ruled out.

It was consequential to amendments CPC-9 and CPC-10.

2:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Based on the ruling that was deemed earlier that rules out CPC-12.

Thank you very much for that.

That brings me to the end of clause 25.

(Clause 25 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

(Clause 26 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

2:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Next is the proposal for new clause 26.1, in amendment CPC-13.

The amendment amends subsection 71(3) of the act, which is not amended by the bill. In particular, we're talking about the corporation, CBC/Radio-Canada, and whether or not it is compelled to provide new information to its report to Parliament.

House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, on page 771, states, “an amendment is inadmissible if it proposes to amend a statute that is not before the committee or a section of the parent Act”—the Broadcasting Act—“unless the latter is specifically amended by a clause of the bill”.

The bill goes slightly beyond its reach, meaning that by saying yes at second reading to Bill C-10, we've accepted its principle, but we've also accepted the scope of the bill. This particular measure does go beyond the scope of the bill. Therefore, I have to rule that CPC-13 is inadmissible.

That brings us to clause 27.

(Clauses 27 and 28 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

Folks, could I just get everyone's attention for a moment? One of the things we tend to do in clause-by-clause, similar to this, is that if we have several clauses in a row, we can lump them together into one vote.

Right now, I have clause 29, 30, 31 and 32 with no proposed amendments from our amendment package or from PV either. We can lump them together into one vote, but to do that I would need unanimous consent. This will also come up again later on in the bill. I have not done it yet, but it just occurred to me that it can be done. I will put it in front of the committee. Clauses 29 to 32 would be voted on at once.

Do I have unanimous consent to proceed that way?

2:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

No.

2:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

(Clauses 29 to 32 inclusive agreed to: yeas 7, nays 4)

(On clause 33)

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

That brings us to clause 33. Within the package that you have, we have G-17, as put forward by Mr. Louis.

2:45 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Mr. Chair, I just want to warn you that we are going to vote in favour.

2:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Yes, that's good. Don't get me wrong. Sometimes we go on autopilot a little too long and then, all of a sudden, something like this happens.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 33 as amended agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

That brings us to the new clause 33.1. We now go to G-18, as put forward by Mr. Louis. Shall G-18 carry?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clauses 34 to 46 inclusive agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

That brings us to a proposal for new clause 46.1. For clause 46.1, just to break a little bit of the monotony of the straight clauses, we have before us, from Mr. Manley, amendment PV-27(N).

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

3 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Okay, folks, that brings us to BQ-37.

Mr. Champoux, you will be honoured to know that yours will be the last amendment.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 6; nays 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

3:05 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

That's a very nice way to finish off, Mr. Chair.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

That brings us to the end of that.

That's quite a dismount, Mr. Champoux.

Shall clause 47 as amended carry?

3:05 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Excuse me, Mr. Chair.

Clause 47 was not amended. BQ-37 was just creating a new clause 46.1.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

That's right. You have my apologies. I was just so enthusiastic for Mr. Champoux. I can't even begin to describe how disorienting it was. I forgot where I was in the place.

3:05 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

You were doing so great.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

I know. I get that a lot.

Nevertheless, let me rephrase that. I'll back up for just a moment, everyone.

Shall clause 47 carry?

(Clause 47 agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Here's a big question.

Shall the title carry?

3:05 p.m.

Conservative

Alain Rayes Conservative Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

No.

3:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Scott Simms

Did I hear no?

3:05 p.m.

Bloc

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

No...