Evidence of meeting #10 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was actra.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Darcy Michael  Actor and Creator, As an Individual
Oorbee Roy  As an Individual
Keith Martin Gordey  National Vice-President, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists
Christian Lemay  President, Alliance québécoise des techniciens de l'image et du son
April Britski  Executive Director, Canadian Artists' Representation
Karl Beveridge  Visual Artist, Canadian Artists' Representation
Maryse Beaulieu  Executive Director, Regroupement des artistes en arts visuels du Québec
Lisa Blanchette  Director, Public Affairs and Communications, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Aimée Belmore
Gabrielle de Billy Brown  Committee Researcher

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Good afternoon, colleagues. I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 10 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage. I would like to acknowledge that this meeting is taking place on the unceded traditional territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

I'm going to read through this quickly, because I think we know most of the things on here. If I read too fast, I'm sure our interpreters will tell me to slow down.

Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, January 31, 2022, the committee is meeting on the study of Status of the Artist Act and its impact on improving basic working conditions for artists.

Today’s meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of November 25, 2021. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application. The proceedings will be made available via the House of Commons website.

Given the ongoing pandemic situation and in light of the recommendations from health authorities, as well as the directive of the Board of Internal Economy on Tuesday, October 19, 2021, to remain healthy and safe, all those attending the meeting in person are to maintain two-metre physical distancing and must wear a non-medical mask when circulating in the room. It is highly recommended that the mask be worn at all times, including when seated. You must use the hand sanitizer in the room.

As the chair, I will be enforcing these measures for the duration of the meeting, and I thank members in advance for their co-operation.

For those participating virtually, I would like to outline a few rules to follow.

You may speak in the official language of your choice. You have the language choices, at the bottom of your screen, of floor, English or French. If interpretation is lost, please inform me immediately and we will ensure that interpretation is properly restored before resuming the proceedings.

Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. When speaking, please speak slowly and clearly. When you are not speaking, your mike should be on mute. I remind you that all comments by members should be addressed through the chair.

We have a number of witnesses with us this morning. We will start off with a five-minute opening statement by each of our witnesses.

We will begin with Darcy Michael, who is here as an individual.

Go ahead.

3:40 p.m.

Darcy Michael Actor and Creator, As an Individual

Oh, I get to go first. Thanks so much.

Hi, everyone. Thank you to the MPs and the committee for taking the time to hear me today.

My name is Darcy Michael. For 16 years, I've been a proud Canadian comedian and actor. Prior to the pandemic, I had many traditional successes as an artist in Canada, with 10 televised galas at Just for Laughs. I also starred on CTV's sitcom Spun Out opposite Dave Foley, and I have my own one-hour stand-up special streaming on Crave, Darcy Michael Goes to Church—highly recommended viewing.

After Spun Out wrapped, I had a development deal with Bell Media for my own sitcom. I spent four years writing the show, only to be told they didn't think there was an appetite for it.

In Canada, when one network says no, there are only two other gatekeepers left to talk to. After all three networks declined to make the show, I was told to try getting it made in the United States first and then come back. Something we love to do with artists in this country is to send them elsewhere to find success first so we can lay claim to them later.

Then, COVID hit. Filming and stand-up industries rightfully shut down. Some of you might not be aware of this, but for some reason that no one has ever been able to explain to me, comedy is not a recognized art form in Canada. As comedy is not recognized as an art form, unlike musicians, actors, dancers and writers, comedians are not eligible for grants in Canada, which meant that the pandemic left no options to help me or my family.

So I pivoted. I decided to take the concept of my sitcom to digital platforms like TikTok and Instagram, partially to entertain myself during those early dark days of the pandemic, but also because I wanted to prove the concept of the show—not in hopes of networks changing their minds, but because I'm bitter and I wanted to prove them wrong. I did.

Fast-forward to today. Eighteen months after first joining TikTok, across all social media platforms, I have three million followers. Our TikTok channel alone averages 40 million to 60 million views a month. For the first time in my career, I'm reaching Canadian households that I could have only dreamed about before. Not only that, I own 100% of my content. I'm 100% in creative control, and I keep 100% of my profits.

With platforms like YouTube, TikTok and Instagram, artists can be in control of their creations, their content and their businesses. Of course, networks and record labels are crying foul, because they can no longer take advantage of the starving artist. Being a content creator online has single-handedly been the best decision I've ever made.

Listen, I can sit here and wax poetic about my creative successes all day long. I'm a big fan of myself. I'm very good. But let's talk business.

Before pivoting to being a digital creator, I was making ends meet as an artist, but just barely. I was lucky that my husband had a good corporate job and our daughter was able to get student loans for university. However, today, because of our success online, my husband now works with me full time and our daughter's student loans are completely paid off.

Not only has our success benefited us financially, but by my working directly with Canadian brands across our social media platforms, in just the last 12 months, we've helped put over $500,000 in sales back into the Canadian economy. That's from one channel on TikTok.

I'm speaking to you as a proud queer digital creator with content that celebrates conversations around mental health, body positivity and human rights. These are all the things I tried to do with traditional networks, but three gatekeepers didn't think there was an appetite for it. There are three million people who disagreed with them.

I have a career today in spite of the industry. I'm here in front of you as an artist, as a Canadian, and as a marginalized voice asking all of you not to omit us from this conversation any longer. See the positive changes we digital creators have been able to make globally but, more importantly, the changes we've been able to make in our Canadian communities from coast to coast to coast.

Thank you for your time.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Thank you, Mr. Michael. I appreciate your keeping it well under time.

Next up, we have Oorbee Roy.

Go ahead.

3:45 p.m.

Oorbee Roy As an Individual

Hi, everybody. My name is Oorbee Roy. I'm a digital content creator and adult skateboarder.

I started skateboarding at the age of 43 so I could spend more time with my kids. My husband was already skateboarding. Once my kids started skateboarding, I knew I didn't want to be the mom standing on the sidelines videotaping my whole family living their best lives, so I took a couple of lessons. I got on a skateboard and fell immediately, but I got back up and I loved it. I became addicted.

Then in February 2021, I started a TikTok account. I don't know if you guys remember how dark that particular COVID lockdown was, but I wanted to spread some joy and positivity, so I launched this account to share my journey and [Technical difficulty—Editor].

In under four months, I gained over 100,000 followers on TikTok. That was recently verified, so I have a blue check mark. I'm a celebrity now. I have been featured on CBC, BlogTO, NBC's Today show and in many publications across the world. Earlier this month, I was on Live TV in New Zealand. That was super cool.

People DM me from all over the world and tell me how I inspired them to go back to school, to start a career as a musician or just to want to get on a skateboard again or for the first time.

Now I'm making a career. I'm planning skate trips for adults. I'm partnering with Canadian brands. I'm running other people's accounts. I'm going to movie premieres. I'm putting together an online course for adults.

So many doors have opened for me in the past year in a way that I never thought possible. It's now possible for me to earn a living as a digital creator, but honestly, it hasn't been that easy for me this whole time. Twenty years ago, I was living in New York City, and after 9/11, like everybody else down there, I had a life-changing epiphany. I quit my job on Wall Street—sorry, Mom—and I pursued a career in the arts. I bombed badly. There was no space for me in traditional media. I did not tick the right boxes. I don't know how you can say no to this face, but they did. I continued to stop and start my career over the last two decades, sometimes successfully, sometimes less so.

Fast-forward to the pandemic. I was working for my husband's company. He was very busy in the food business. He had to keep the shelves stocked, so I had to give up my job to take care of the kids and make sure they were being fed, but I didn't want to be the mom standing on the sidelines watching my whole family live their lives.

You know what? I feel as though skateboarding has given me a new lease on life. It has taught me that every time I fall, every mistake I make, every moment when things don't go my way, it's just part of my journey. If I put in the work and keep trying, eventually I will land the trick.

Translating that into my real life, I realize that it is absolutely 100% possible for a 47-year-old woman to pivot her career and earn a living as an adult skateboarder. I dare anyone to tell me different. I just have to believe in myself.

Sure, pivoting hasn't been easy. I'm definitely trying to figure out the digital creator space. I have made some missteps. Not every door is open for me. I sent my media kit to over 30 agencies in Canada, and they all shut their door on me because, again, I don't check the right boxes. But, listen: I'm a creative person. That's the very core of who I am, and I don't need anyone's help.

Being a digital creator has allowed me to stay authentic, own my own story, and find an audience without having to tick somebody else's boxes. I can finally make a living as an artist. The global digital creator gig economy is booming, and you don't have to stand on the sidelines if you put in the work and believe in yourself, because it's never too late to live your best life.

Thank you.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Thank you, Ms. Roy. Thank you for joining us. I guess I might have a future as an adult skateboarder someday as well.

We will go to our next set of witnesses, the Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists, ACTRA. We have Keith Gordey and Lisa Blanchette. I'm not sure who is taking the lead on speaking, but I will open the floor.

Go ahead, Mr. Gordey.

3:50 p.m.

Keith Martin Gordey National Vice-President, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you to the chair, vice-chairs, committee members and staff.

I'm Keith Martin Gordey. I'm an actor and national vice-president of ACTRA. Lisa Blanchette is our director of public affairs and communications. Thank you for inviting the Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists to appear before you once again.

On behalf of ACTRA's 28,000 members who perform in English-language recorded media productions across Canada, we are pleased to share our perspective on how the Status of the Artist Act could be embraced to improve the working conditions of professional artists.

The starting point of this discussion is to understand the unique way artists work. Artists are well educated; most have specialized training in their art form and all spend years refining their craft. We are the original gig worker: self-employed, competing for work and working contract to contract.

ACTRA's agreements ensure that individual engagements are well paid. While some members have long-term contracts, the majority work intermittently. It is not uncommon to be without a paying gig for long stretches. Overall, the median annual income of Canadian actors, musicians and other performers is roughly 50% lower than for other workers.

Like other artists' organizations, ACTRA benefits from the collective bargaining rights established by the act, but the act's real potential to improve the lives of Canadian artists is found in building on its core principles, which acknowledge, one, the important role professional artists play in our society and economy; two, the unique way in which artists work; and three, the need to improve the professional and socio-economic interests of artists.

We urge the committee to consider the following three measures that would significantly benefit professional artists and strengthen our capacity to contribute to Canada.

The first and most significant measure would be to introduce a tax incentive. If the first $15,000 of annual income earned from professional artistic activity were free from federal income taxes, this would combine with the “basic personal amount” to create a powerful incentive for creativity.

The definitions necessary for such a provision are in the Income Tax Act and existing regulations. The provision would be straightforward to implement and administer. The act already contains special rules for other groups because they earn income and work in atypical ways. The income tax system should also respond to the work reality of professional artists.

Our proposed tax incentive would apply equally to all professional artists, regardless of discipline or career stage, and provide the greatest relative benefit to those with the lowest incomes, including those from Black, indigenous and other racialized communities, as well as young and emerging artists.

Restoring tax fairness for Canadian artists through income averaging would be an excellent second measure. A key feature of artists' work pattern is that their income fluctuates from year to year, in some cases substantially. Our tax system assumes a traditional employment model where earnings are stable. Performers may spend years developing their skills, attending master classes, auditioning, acting in small parts and working with their agent to market themselves before they land the principal role in a feature film. They will be well paid for that role, but it's compensation for all the time and energy they spent in the previous years and, when the film is released, it may be several more years before they land their next big role.

A 2011 ACTRA study found that when a taxpayer earned the same amount each year for four years, they would pay roughly 3% to 16% less in income tax than would an artist whose total income was the same but fluctuated year to year over the same four-year period. ACTRA urges the committee to recommend the return of Canada's four-year income averaging system to ensure fairness for Canadian artists.

As a third measure, we recommend addressing the gaps the pandemic starkly revealed in our employment insurance program. Government emergency income support measures highlighted how gig workers, including professional artists, fall outside Canada's social safety net. In fact, the current EI program is discriminatory. If a self-employed artist works at another job between gigs, they and their employer will pay into the program on the insurable hours, but if they are laid off from employment, they are ineligible to collect regular EI benefits.

EI has special rules for others. In particular, self-employed fishers, hairdressers and drivers qualify for regular benefits based on earnings rather than insurable hours. Surely, the same earning model could be adapted for artists. An EI program for a modern economy would allow self-employed workers to contribute to and collect EI despite the absence of a traditional employer-employee relationship. Artists are willing to pay into an insurance system provided they can receive benefits when they need them.

To conclude, the Status of the Artist Act remains important to Canada’s creators. It establishes a framework for improving the social and economic status of professional artists.

We hope you will embrace this opportunity, and we look forward to your questions.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Thank you, Mr. Gordey.

We will now move to Christian Lemay, from the Alliance québécoise des techniciens de l'image et du son.

Mr. Lemay, you have the floor.

3:55 p.m.

Christian Lemay President, Alliance québécoise des techniciens de l'image et du son

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon, members.

My name is Christian Lemay, and I am president of the Alliance québécoise des techniciens de l'image et du son, or AQTIS, Local 514 of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, Moving Picture Technicians, Artists and Allied Crafts of the United States, Its Territories and Canada.

AQTIS 514 IATSE represents 8,000 workers in the audiovisual industry in Quebec. We are incorporated under the Act respecting the Fédération des travailleurs et travailleuses du Québec (FTQ), its affiliates and their syndicates, to which we are also affiliated. We are the second largest IATSE local in Canada and the third largest in North America. In addition, I'd like to point out that, under Canada's Status of the Artist Act, we have a collective agreement with the National Film Board, which we are currently renegotiating.

Helping workers improve their socio-economic conditions is central to our mission and values. The passing of federal legislation to establish good labour relations principles is critical to the AQTIS fulfilling its mission.

You are probably aware that artists and those working in allied crafts live under very precarious conditions. It's important to note that most of them frequently face challenges due, in part, to their status as artists.

I would be remiss not to highlight some issues. I will begin by painting a picture of the current challenges.

First, audiovisual production is underfunded. It is high time the federal government did more on this front. Our industry relies heavily on tax credits. For too many years, the federal government hasn't made any changes to these credits. Of course, the Quebec government tries to compensate for this gap, but an increase in funding would have a major impact on our members' socio-economic conditions.

The second challenge is our workers' tax status. Employers will often call our members' status into question, and they end up being considered self-employed. It's often imposed on them by their employer. This sometimes prevents them from qualifying for employment insurance benefits when they are in between jobs.

The third challenge is the issue of labour laws. Artists and audiovisual workers are not always treated like other Canadians. Because some of the policies fall under provincial jurisdiction, workers in the industry tend to have fewer rights than other workers. For example, they may not be entitled to protective reassignment for pregnant workers, parental leave, occupational health and safety programs, or protection from sexual and psychological harassment. We've raised all these issues as part of the current review of Quebec's artist status legislation, as they are important to our union members.

Finally, there is the issue of the Canada Industrial Relations Board. We have not had to go before the CIRB, but I feel it's important that you look into its effectiveness under the Status of the Artist Act. It's important for groups like ours to make sure that tribunals like these are efficient to encourage the CIRB to render its decisions as quickly as possible.

This concludes my opening remarks. I hope I have drawn your attention to some of these issues.

I'd like to thank you for inviting me to appear before you, and I wish you every success in your work. We look forward to seeing what comes of it.

In closing, I'd like to make one final point. I want to thank MPs for the financial support provided to performing arts workers over the past few years.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Thank you, Mr. Lemay.

Next up we have the Canadian Artists' Representation, and that's represented by April Britski and Karl Beveridge.

The floor is yours.

4 p.m.

April Britski Executive Director, Canadian Artists' Representation

Thank you, Mr. Chair and committee members, for this opportunity to speak with you today.

I'm April Britski, and I'm the national director of CARFAC, which is a membership association for professional visual artists. We have a long history of advocating for artists' labour rights, and since we began in 1968, we've had guidelines for fees that artists should be paid for the exhibitions of their work. In 1999, we were certified by the Canadian Artists and Producers Professional Relations Tribunal to be the collective bargaining representative for visual and media artists in Canada—excluding Quebec—as recognized by the federal Status of the Artist legislation.

Status matters, because there are about 21,000 visual artists in Canada, most of whom are self-employed, and their income is much lower than that of the overall Canadian labour force. Half of visual artists earn just $20,000 a year, according to the 2016 census. It's also important to note that the majority of this income comes from the day jobs that most artists must hold in order to support themselves.

We certainly also agree with the recommendations that have been put forward by ACTRA and IATSE in this regard, and many more.

Copyright is a major piece of legislation that helps artists earn income from their creative work. For visual artists, that's through exhibition and reproduction rights. We're very pleased that the federal government is committed to introducing an artist's resale right to the Copyright Act as well, and we look forward to seeing that happen very soon.

The Status of the Artist Act complements and reinforces the Copyright Act. It's all part of a cultural policy tool kit. While copyright establishes the right to be paid, collective bargaining through the status act establishes the amount to be paid. Without the act, galleries and museums are not compelled to engage in collective bargaining. This unique law indirectly helps us establish standards for other types of institutions, both in Canada and abroad.

So far, there's only one collective agreement enforced for visual artists in Canada, and that's with the National Gallery. We had to go all the way to the Supreme Court to make that happen, and it's been in place since 2015. We hope to negotiate with other institutions when the pandemic is over.

Now I'll introduce Karl Beveridge.

Mr. Beveridge is an artist and a recent recipient of the Governor General award for visual and media arts, as well as the co-chair of our collective bargaining committee.

4 p.m.

Karl Beveridge Visual Artist, Canadian Artists' Representation

Thank you. I hope everyone can hear me.

I will continue with the thoughts that April has expressed.

Artists are much better paid because of the agreements negotiated under the act. Prior to the agreement, we estimated that the total amount paid by the National Gallery in fees to artists was around $40,000 annually. Today, including during the pandemic, the gallery pays an average of approximately $190,000 annually. Before the pandemic, it was a total of $305 and $776 in fees paid to artists. That means that the National Gallery now pays artists almost five times more for exhibition of their work than before the agreement. It's seven times more for an artist representing Canada at the Venice Biennale, which is the premier international art event.

The gallery did not always pay fees for reproductions of an artist's work before the agreement. Now they pay for all reproductions. They also now pay for the display of works from its permanent collection. Before, they asked artists to waive fee payments for all exhibition and non-commercial reproduction uses of their work in the permanent collection. The gallery also now pays for uses of the artists' work online and on social media platforms, which is unprecedented in the visual arts sector.

Another major achievement is the establishment of fees for the preparation work that an artist undertakes prior to an exhibition, such as correspondence, artist statements, IMS files, installation design and so on. For a major exhibition, this can be up to 400 hours of work.

In summary, the collective agreement under the status act has enabled an average of $190,000 to be paid to artists annually, compared to the average of $40,000 prior to our agreement. This is a significant increase in income for many artists. On average, 180 artists receive fees from the National Gallery annually.

Remember that each year it would be a different group of artists, so over the six years the agreement has been in place, over 1,000 artists have received some sort of fee payment from the National Gallery.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Mr. Beveridge, we're at time. Please wrap it up in a couple of sentences, if you could.

4:05 p.m.

Visual Artist, Canadian Artists' Representation

Karl Beveridge

No problem. I'm right there.

I would like to thank the committee for inviting us to speak. I also thank the federal government for enacting the Status of the Artist Act. It has been of immense benefit to working artists.

Thank you.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Thank you, Mr. Beveridge and Ms. Britski.

We will now hear from our final group, Regroupement des artistes en arts visuels du Québec.

Ms. Beaulieu, you have the floor.

4:05 p.m.

Maryse Beaulieu Executive Director, Regroupement des artistes en arts visuels du Québec

Good afternoon.

We would like to thank the House of Commons Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for the opportunity to appear before you and speak on the Status of the Artist Act and its impact on improving basic working conditions for artists.

First, let me introduce the Regroupement des artistes en arts visuels du Québec (RAAV), which I represent today as executive director.

The RAAV was founded in 1993. Bringing together more than 1,600 members, the RAAV's primary mission is working to improve the living conditions and professional practice of artists pursuing a career in the visual arts in Quebec.

The RAAV has been accredited by the Canadian Artists and Producers Professional Relations Tribunal. As you know, the Canada Industrial Relations Board is now carrying on the mission vested in the tribunal.

The Status of the Artist Act, which came into force in 1992, addresses the working relationship between professional artists and Canadian federal government agencies and organizations.

In section 2, it provides for the following:

The Government of Canada hereby recognizes (a) the importance of the contribution of artists to the cultural, social, economic and political enrichment of Canada; (b) the importance to Canadian society of conferring on artists a status that reflects their primary role in developing and enhancing Canada's artistic and cultural life, and in sustaining Canada's quality of life; (c) the role of the artist, in particular to express the diverse nature of the Canadian way of life and the individual and collective aspirations of Canadians; (d) that artistic creativity is the engine for the growth and prosperity of dynamic cultural industries in Canada; and (e) the importance to artists that they be compensated for the use of their works, including the public lending of them.

Furthermore, in section 3(b), the act clearly lays out the foundations of the policy:

Canada's policy on the professional status of the artist, as implemented by the Minister of Canadian Heritage, is based on the following rights: (b) the right of associations representing artists to be recognized in law and to promote the professional and socio-economic interests of their members;

Section 7 states that the purpose of the act is to “establish a framework to govern professional relations between artists and producers...”

Under the act, we, along with Canadian Artists Representation (CARFAC), entered into a scale agreement with the National Gallery of Canada. A scale agreement, as defined in section 5 of the act, is an “agreement in writing between a producer and an artists' association respecting minimum terms and conditions for the provision of artists' services and other related matters”.

It is of utmost importance to reiterate that establishing a collective bargaining regime, as permitted under the Status of the Artist Act, is absolutely cardinal to improving the conditions under which artists operate.

The importance of the Copyright Act cannot be overlooked. If I may, I'd like to point out that introducing resale right is one of the commitments that have been made to visual artists.

We could not end this presentation without saying how fundamental a collective bargaining regime, as provided for in the Status of the Artist Act, is for visual artists. It can't be the only definitive solution for improving the living conditions of these artists, but the act is one milestone that helps us reflect on the situation of artists so that they can aspire to living conditions commensurate with what they represent for Canadian society.

Needless to say, the purpose of establishing a collective bargaining regime is to restore balance between the parties when it comes to negotiating with producers. The goals of the Status of the Artist Act, which emphasize how important artists are in our society, are a commitment to those we have celebrated during this pandemic.

By affirming at the outset the values of fairness that must govern artist–producer relationships, the letter and spirit of the Status of the Artist Act establish the framework within which artists must operate.

Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak on Canada's Status of the Artist Act.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Thank you very much, Ms. Beaulieu.

We will turn to our first round of questions. The first round is six minutes per questioner. That time includes both the questions and the responses.

The first round is the Conservative round, and that goes to Rachael Thomas.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thank you, Chair.

I want to begin by directing a question to you, Oorbee. At this point in time, having heard from everyone at the table, I've actually lost track of the number of requests that have been made for government support, government funding and government regulation. What I find interesting, though, is that your story and Darcy's story are very different. You're actually telling a story of self-made success. You're telling a story about hard work, innovation, creativity, pivoting and working through difficult circumstances. You're telling a story about overcoming the obstacles put in front of you, in particular the gatekeepers that would try to keep you out of traditional spaces for artists.

I'm hoping you can help answer this question, Oorbee. Bill C-11 is on the table. This will potentially have a big impact on you and your ability to use the virtual platforms that you currently use, namely TikTok, in the same capacity that you do now. Under Bill C-11, you will potentially—

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Yes, Mr. Bittle.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

This is a study on a completely different piece of legislation. I don't understand the relevance of Bill C-11 to the Status of the Artist Act.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Thank you, Mr. Bittle.

I think we do provide a fair bit of leeway. Obviously, if the witness doesn't feel comfortable answering the question, that's completely up to them. They're not forced to. If we can see the relevance between status of the artist and the question at hand, I think we would certainly allow that.

I will turn it back to Mrs. Thomas to finish up her question.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Thank you.

Every artist has the right to be compensated, according to the act. Within the act, entrepreneurs who “contribute to the creation of any production in the performing arts, music, dance and variety entertainment, film, radio and television, video, sound-recording, dubbing or the recording of commercials, arts and crafts, or visual arts, and fall within a professional category prescribed by regulation” fall under this category.

For those individuals with us today who are virtual creatives, I pose this question. Bill C-11 will have an impact on your ability to make an income. Bill C-11 will force you to pay 30% of your revenue off the top to go into the arts fund, which you will pay into but not have the opportunity to apply for funding from.

The second thing is that the government will regulate through the CRTC what is considered Canadian content and what is—

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative John Nater

Yes, Mr. Bittle.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

I appreciate that we give a wide berth for questions in this committee, but this is legislation that's still before the House of Commons and that may or may not get to us. I don't know that this is an appropriate line of questioning, because it still hasn't related back to the topic at hand and the topic that we're studying.

I'm concerned about getting into discussions on legislation that is still before the House and not before the committee.