Evidence of meeting #119 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Josh Dehaas  Counsel, Canadian Constitution Foundation
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Geneviève Desjardins
François Côté  Attorney and Doctor of Law, Droits collectifs Québec
Geoffrey Sigalet  Assistant Professor, As an Individual
Humera Jabir  Staff Lawyer, West Coast Legal Education and Action Fund

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Peterborough South, ON

Your decision is incorrect. I challenge the chair.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Coteau spoke to a point of privilege that he was misrepresented.

Go ahead and challenge the chair. Let's call a vote.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

Madam Chair—

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Call a vote to challenge the chair, please.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

Darrell Samson Liberal Sackville—Preston—Chezzetcook, NS

She didn't order her. She asked her if she would like to apologize. That's all she said.

She said that she was asking the member if she wants to.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Lawrence, I did not make a ruling on anything. I asked the member if she would withdraw her statement because Mr. Coteau asked her to because he felt he was misrepresented. That's basically what's happening here. I have not made a ruling because I can't rule on that.

Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Coteau has asked that you withdraw the statement.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Madam Chair, by asking me to withdraw, you are then making a ruling. You're making a ruling in favour of Mr. Coteau.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm not making a ruling, Mrs. Thomas. People speak through the chair. I know you don't think they should, but Mr. Coteau made a statement.

As a chair, I'm interpreting the statement that he made. I'm not ruling; I'm just asking. If you wish to not withdraw, that's fine. I'm not compelling you to do anything.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

The chair is asking me to withdraw.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm saying that Mr. Coteau asked you to withdraw your statement.

Will you?

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

No.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right, fine.

Mr. Coteau, Mrs. Thomas does not wish to withdraw her statement.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Wow, you required my input for that.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you. Mr. Coteau has said that's fine.

Mrs. Thomas, what were you saying?

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

You are.... Oh my gosh, this is such a joke.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

What?

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Liberal

Marc Serré Liberal Nickel Belt, ON

Did she call the chair a joke?

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Yes, she did. She did, but it's okay. My skin is very thick.

Go ahead, Mrs. Thomas.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Madam Chair, I would call a point of order on you.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

What?

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

What you just accused me of is incorrect. I did start out saying “you”. I was going to make one statement. I withdrew it and said, “this is...a joke”.

You just accused me, wrongly, of calling you a joke.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

You did—

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

Madam Chair, that is an inappropriate accusation that you just brought against me.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mrs. Thomas, I do not wish to debate you on issues like this because I think they are totally irrelevant and frivolous.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rachael Thomas Conservative Lethbridge, AB

I absolutely agree.