Evidence of meeting #34 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Stephanie Bond
Thomas Owen Ripley  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I will suspend, then.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Ms. May, according to the routine motions, you can move an amendment, but you cannot move a subamendment. Also, someone on the committee will have to move this on your behalf.

Is there anyone on the committee who wishes to move the subamendment?

11:50 a.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

I will, Madam Chair.

11:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Nater is moving Ms. May's subamendment.

Ms. May and Mr. Julian have spoken.

Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to the subamendment?

Yes, Mr. Méla.

11:50 a.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Would it be possible for Ms. May, or Mr. Nater, since he's the one moving it, to repeat exactly where it goes?

11:50 a.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

I can do that again.

Madam Chair, I regard many of the things we've done to allow virtual sessions to improve process, but being unable to have a paper copy of something I'm trying to amend is rather challenging.

Here is where I would put it, as we now have the definition of community element, “community element includes the element of the Canadian broadcasting system as part of which members of a community participate in the production of programs that are in a language used in the community, including a predominantly not-for-profit or community-owned broadcasting undertaking that is managed by a board of directors elected by the community”.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Nater, is that your subamendment? Is that where it goes?

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

Yes, Madam Chair.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right.

I'm going to call the question on the subamendment, unless anyone wishes to speak to it.

Yes, Mr. Méla.

11:55 a.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

If I may, I'm going to repeat the amendment, so I'm sure I have a proper version. The amendment with the subamendment would read, “community element includes the element of the Canadian broadcasting system as part of which members of a community participate in the production of programs that are in a language used in the community, including a predominantly not-for-profit or community-owned broadcasting undertaking that is managed by a board of directors elected by the community”. Is that it?

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Is everyone clear on that?

The question is on the subamendment. Those in favour?

(Subamendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Now we will vote on the amended motion of Mr. Julian.

Go ahead, Clerk.

11:55 a.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

Madam Chair, the motion was not amended.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

It was a brand new motion.

11:55 a.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

The motion from Mr. Julian was not amended, since the amendment was defeated.

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

The amendment has already been adopted, Madam Chair.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

No, it was adopted.

11:55 a.m.

Legislative Clerk

Philippe Méla

The subamendment was defeated.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

The second subamendment was defeated, yes.

Now we're going to move to the amended motion.

Please, Clerk, will you call the vote?

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

We've already adopted the amendment.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Mr. Julian, it's a question of whether it was a new amendment or an amendment to your original motion. If it was a new amendment, we don't have to go to the amended motion, because it was inherently amended by the amendment.

Is that it?

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP New Westminster—Burnaby, BC

The amendment has already been adopted.

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

All right. We're now going to move to.... Clause 2 we've already...there was a decision. There was an interpretation of a decision.

Mr. Méla, can that...? That's from Mr. Champoux.

Can we entertain that, Mr. Méla?

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

John Nater Conservative Perth—Wellington, ON

On a point of order, Madam Chair, I'd like to seek guidance from our legislative clerk on whether—

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

That's who I'm asking, Mr. Nater. Mr. Méla is the legislative clerk.