Evidence of meeting #40 for Canadian Heritage in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was investigation.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Danielle Robitaille  Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP
Michel Ruest  Senior Director, Programs, Sport Canada Branch, Department of Canadian Heritage
Justin Vaive  Procedural Clerk
Isabelle Mondou  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Good morning, everyone.

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting No. 40 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

I would like to acknowledge that this meeting is taking place on the unceded traditional territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

Pursuant to the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, June 13, 2022, the committee is meeting for its study of Hockey Canada's involvement in alleged sexual assaults committed in 2018.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format pursuant to the House of Commons order on June 23, 2022. We are therefore meeting virtually and in person.

I just have a few comments. Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. For those participating by video conference, you can click on the microphone icon to activate your mike and to mute yourself when you're not speaking.

For those on Zoom, the interpretation is what looks like a little globe at the bottom, and you can get it in English or French. For those in the room, you already know how to do that.

All questions should be addressed through the chair.

I am informing the committee that all witnesses have completed the required connection tests in advance of the meeting, and I would now like to welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

We're going to welcome Danielle Robitaille from Henein Hutchison LLP.

Madame Robitaille, you have—

11:10 a.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

A point of order, Madam Chair.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Pardon?

11:10 a.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Madam Chair, I don't want to interfere with the proceedings, but I'd like to point out, before the meeting starts, that not all of the online participants have their headsets on, from what I can see. I just want to make sure there are no interpretation issues during the meeting.

I think everyone has very pertinent questions to ask, and I'd rather not have that interfere with the meeting.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I'm sorry, I didn't quite get that.

Could you please repeat it? My sound is not terribly good.

11:10 a.m.

Bloc

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I want to make sure that all of the online witnesses have a headset with a microphone that meets the requirements of the House. I want to ensure that their testimony is interpreted correctly.

All too often in committee, meetings are interrupted because the equipment did not perform as expected.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

I think the clerk has assured us that everyone was properly connected before this meeting began.

Now I would like to go to Ms. Robitaille, please, for five minutes. I will give you a 30-second notice when you have 30 seconds left.

11:10 a.m.

Danielle Robitaille Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I can say that the committee staff did advise me that I had six minutes, so I would be grateful for that indulgence, but I'll start my opening statement now.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

That's news to me. We usually do five minutes, but go ahead and have six.

11:10 a.m.

Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Danielle Robitaille

Thank you, Madam Chair.

My name is Danielle Robitaille. I am a partner at the law firm Henein Hutchison.

On June 19, 2018, Henein Hutchison was contacted by Hockey Canada regarding allegations of sexual misconduct by members of the men's world junior hockey team at an event in London. It was our view that the London police should be contacted immediately. Based on our advice, Hockey Canada reported the matter to the police.

On June 21, 2018, we were retained to conduct an independent investigation into the allegations and whether any players had breached the Hockey Canada high performance code of conduct. I led the firm's investigation along with my law partner Alex Smith.

As this committee knows, independent investigations are frequently conducted by law firms for organizations facing serious allegations of misconduct. These investigations are conducted at arm's length in order to safeguard the independence of the investigation and to avoid potential bias.

Upon completion of our investigation, we will deliver a report to an adjudicative panel that will contain our impartial findings of fact about what happened in London.

There has been a lot of speculation in the press and elsewhere about what happened and who was involved in London. I will not comment on what did or did not happen, and who may or may not be responsible. This is an ongoing investigation and we do not yet know what did or did not occur. The goal of the investigation is to uncover the truth, but the investigation is active, and it would be inappropriate for me to prejudge the issue. It is critical that I keep my mind open to the evidence we are collecting and to safeguard the evidence collected to date as to not prejudge our investigation or any other investigation.

Here is a chronology of the steps taken so far in our investigation.

Between June 30 and July 11, 2018, we travelled to various locations across Canada and the United States and conducted interviews of 10 players out of the 19 who attended the event. On July 7, 2018, we learned that the London Police Service had opened its own investigation. We continued our investigation, as the police did not ask us to pause or stand down.

On July 13, 2018, seven players advised that they would not submit to interviews with my office pending the completion of the police interview. Around that same time, two players conveyed a blanket refusal to participate in our investigation. I have since learned that they meant to simply defer their participation until the conclusion of the criminal investigation.

Crucially, on July 13, 2018, counsel for the complainant also advised that she would not participate in our investigation until the police investigation had concluded. Notwithstanding that the player conduct investigation was on pause, we interviewed coaches and staff to report to Hockey Canada on broader policy issues. We then delivered to Hockey Canada an interim report dated September 14, 2018. The report identified policy issues that could be addressed by Hockey Canada while the conduct investigation was on hold.

On February 7, 2019, the police advised that they were closing their criminal investigation and no charges would be laid. We then contacted the complainant through her counsel to continue our investigation. Based on the facts collected in the summer of 2018, we concluded that the remaining player interviews should not be conducted until we received the complainant's statement.

Over the next 18 months, my office was in regular communication with the complainant's counsel requesting her participation. We sought her statement to allow us to proceed with our investigation and ultimately our search for the truth. Despite efforts to encourage the complainant to participate, she declined to provide her account to us at that time. Accordingly, we felt compelled to classify the investigation as closed without prejudice to its reopening if circumstances changed.

Circumstances have now changed. On July 9, 2022, the complainant advised that she was prepared to participate. We then received instructions to reopen our investigation. We now have the benefit of the complainant's detailed version of events, and I am now in a position to interview the remaining players.

I am here today to answer the committee's questions. There are three issues I wish to draw to the committee's attention that are deserving of some comment.

One, Hockey Canada has advised me that it's asserting solicitor-client privilege with respect to some of the discussions and work that we have performed. They have further advised that I'm not authorized to waive privilege. I was advised that this is to ensure Hockey Canada is not later held to have waived its privilege should this committee compel me to answer. I will await the committee's direction before answering. I am aware of the committee's power to compel answers and override claims of privilege. I will, of course, follow the direction of this committee and the Honourable Madam Chair.

Two, the committee may ask questions that call for answers that, if given, could undermine the integrity of our ongoing investigation. It is also critical that the anonymity of witnesses be maintained. If we find ourselves in circumstances that cause me concern as an independent investigator, I will alert Madam Chair and wait for the committee's direction.

Three, I understand that the committee requested that Hockey Canada produce documents in its possession that involve communications between Henein Hutchison and the players. You have some of that correspondence, but you don't have all of it. I should make it clear that Hockey Canada would only have some of our correspondence with players, and many of those pieces of correspondence remain solely in Henein Hutchison's possession.

I look forward to assisting the committee and answering your questions.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Danielle Robitaille

Thank you, Madam Chair.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Hedy Fry

Now, we will begin the question-and-answer component of the meeting.

This round is for six minutes, and we will begin with, for the Conservatives, Richard Martel.

Richard, you have six minutes.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

I will address all my questions to the witnesses through the chair.

How did you obtain Hockey Canada's mandate?

11:15 a.m.

Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Danielle Robitaille

I would really like to answer in French.

Unfortunately, I think I really need to be accurate and precise in my testimony, which means that I have to answer in English.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

That's fine.

11:20 a.m.

Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Danielle Robitaille

I received the mandate—Henein Hutchison received the mandate—via a phone call from Glen McCurdie, who was the vice-president of risk management at the time.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

What were Hockey Canada's stated parameters for conducting the investigation?

What were the objectives?

How far was the investigation to go?

11:20 a.m.

Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Danielle Robitaille

It is my understanding that Hockey Canada has not asserted privilege over this issue, and I'm going to answer it.

The mandate was to discover the truth, to learn what happened in London at that event and to investigate the allegations that came through to Hockey Canada.

There was a secondary mandate to look into any potential policy issues or systemic issues discovered in the course of the investigation in order to report to Hockey Canada so that it could improve its process.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

How many players took part in your investigation?

11:20 a.m.

Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Danielle Robitaille

There were 10.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

How many players refused to participate?

11:20 a.m.

Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Danielle Robitaille

Well, as I hope I made clear in my opening, two of them refused at the time to submit to interviews. I've subsequently learned through correspondence with counsel that those two players did not intend to provide a blanket refusal and that they were prepared to sit down with me at the conclusion of the criminal investigation.

Seven players were very clear that they would not participate in interviews until the conclusion of the criminal investigation.

I hope that is clear.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Richard Martel Conservative Chicoutimi—Le Fjord, QC

Aside from the players, who else refused to take part in the investigation?

11:20 a.m.

Partner, Henein Hutchison LLP

Danielle Robitaille

I can say that I received open participation from Hockey Canada officials. I was able to sit down with coaching staff and other staff very readily.

The complainant, as I explained in my opening, was not prepared to provide us with her version of events for quite some time, first because of the ongoing criminal investigation. That is not unusual. Then, after the criminal investigation closed, as you heard in my opening, for a period of 18 months we sought her participation. We included in our correspondence to counsel that we were prepared to engage in accommodations to facilitate her evidence in our investigation. She was not prepared at that time.

Again, that is not unusual. It's not an unusual case where a complainant in this sort of matter takes time to be prepared to participate in an investigation like ours.