Evidence of meeting #24 for Canadian Heritage in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was funding.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Marc Miller  Minister of Canadian Identity and Culture and Minister responsible for Official Languages
Brown  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Bilodeau  Deputy Minister, Department of Canadian Heritage
Montminy  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Cultural Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage
Côté  Chief Financial Officer, Department of Canadian Heritage
McMurren  Assistant Deputy Minister, Cultural Affairs, Department of Canadian Heritage

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

The minister just said he would stay for another four minutes, but you're going to start another round and the time won't be split fairly between the parties. I think we should insist that the minister stay a bit longer so that each party can have two and a half to three minutes. It seems to me that—

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

Is it really four minutes, or can you stay a bit longer than that, Minister?

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

I can give you five or six minutes. Six minutes is fine.

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

Would two minutes for each of the first two parties and one minute for the third party work for you, Mr. Champoux?

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

How about two minutes, two minutes and two minutes, for a total of six minutes?

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

Okay.

Mr. Diotte, you have two minutes.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kerry Diotte Conservative Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Okay.

Minister, thanks for being here.

Have you seen the report by Honest Reporting Canada that has some very disconcerting findings about the CBC? Basically, it used AI to examine the CBC's coverage of the Israel-Hamas war. It analyzed 2,789 CBC news articles published between October 7, 2023, the day of that terrible massacre, and June 7, 2025. It found that CBC's coverage of the war demonstrated “a significant imbalance” and there was consistent, overwhelming bias “against Israel”.

Minister, does it concern you that public dollars are being sent from your department to the CBC and that this report calls into question its very impartiality and actually questions its stated journalistic standards and practices?

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

I'll say a couple of things, and I don't presume that my answer will make you happy, Mr. Diotte.

First and foremost, the CBC, as you know, is independent. It doesn't mean that it is unaccountable and that I'm not entitled to an opinion on this matter, but I want to be very judicious in my answer, in particular because of the ongoing situation in Gaza but also because the CBC has its own mechanism internally.

Ultimately, the CBC is accountable to the public, and it's important not to attach that type of condition to the financing of the publicly supported broadcaster.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kerry Diotte Conservative Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Okay, that's fair enough, but their own editorial culture is being questioned. Actually, this report from Honest Reporting Canada says they're calling for an audit of CBC's editorial culture—

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

Thank you, Mr. Diotte. That's exactly two minutes.

The floor is yours, Mr. Ntumba. You have two minutes.

Bienvenu-Olivier Ntumba Liberal Mont-Saint-Bruno—L’Acadie, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Minister, I know it's easy to single out the show Heated Rivalry, given all the success it's had. It's important to point out, however, that it's not an exception; rather, it's a case that highlights the value and impact of Canadian content and intellectual property.

How can the government continue to promote Canadian identity, and values that resonate across the country and throughout the world?

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

I think it's important to note that shows like Heated Rivalry should be the rule, not the exception. Despite the many francophone references in the show, it's not a French show. I urge everyone to watch the show Empathie, which is enjoying record-breaking popularity. It's a Canadian production. I think it's important, without being too heavy-handed, to embrace producers who take risks to make shows like these and to trust their instincts.

Bienvenu-Olivier Ntumba Liberal Mont-Saint-Bruno—L’Acadie, QC

Minister, to wrap up, I want to talk about foreign digital platforms again. They have a dominant hold in Canada.

What tangible steps is the department taking to better showcase Canadian content so that our creators, especially those from under-represented cultural communities, can reach audiences and enjoy the economic and social benefits.

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

I think we need to maintain confidence in an institution like the CRTC, which establishes the rules and manages the regulation of Canadian content. That's extremely important.

Of course, without commenting on the discussions between us and our economic partner, the United States, concerning digital platforms, I can say that we must always keep culture as a red line in those discussions.

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Mr. Champoux, you have the floor for one minute.

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

We had agreed to two minutes, Madam Chair.

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

Go ahead. You have a minute and a half.

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

In any case, Minister, you can take much longer than two minutes, as this is the last round of questions. Don't be shy.

You probably heard about the report featured last week on Enquête about Live Nation, a U.S. company that is often accused of having established something of a monopoly in the ticketing and show production industry.

We know that the company is a 49% shareholder of Evenko, a major producer of shows and festivals here. We also see that the presence of an American multinational, with Ticketmaster and Live Nation, has a serious impact on the entertainment and festival industry, not only in Montreal, but throughout the major festivals industry.

Do you have any thoughts on that? I ask because it's extremely concerning to see that small venues, which are trying to hold their own, especially in the Quartier des spectacles and around Montreal, are in extremely precarious situations because of the rules that these large, extremely dominant companies are putting in place.

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

Yes, I'm concerned about that. Any monopolistic behaviour worries me and should worry all politicians.

As part of my role, I looked into this very briefly and I believe that this institution, through its relationship with Evenko, receives a maximum of approximately 1% of funding that is allocated in this area. It's not huge, but it's still something. That's not an excuse, either.

The reality is that I'm more concerned about the artists than the producers. Of course, as you know, that organization produces Osheaga, the Festival international de jazz de Montréal and other big events, but in any analysis that we undertake at the department, we have to keep an eye on artists, especially those who are potentially exploited.

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Yes, but 80% of shows produced in the venues owned by Evenko, and by extension Live Nation, involve mostly foreign artists, after all. There isn't a lot of space in their programming for local artists and for the promotion of local culture.

That should also be a concern for the department, and you should make sure that it is reflected in the way support funds, grants for these activities, these events, are allocated. Wouldn't you agree?

Marc Miller Liberal Ville-Marie—Le Sud-Ouest—Île-des-Soeurs, QC

I agree. As I said earlier, in any consideration of this nature, we have to ask ourselves where and how the government will intervene, especially in a quasi-monopoly situation.

Martin Champoux Bloc Drummond, QC

Okay. Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

Thank you, Minister. We really appreciate your visiting us today.

I'll suspend for a couple of minutes while the minister gets out of the room.

The Chair Liberal Lisa Hepfner

I call this meeting back to order.

Mr. Diotte, we will start with you. You have six minutes.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

Kerry Diotte Conservative Edmonton Griesbach, AB

Thank you. It's nice to have a little bit more time this time.

Thanks to all of you for being here. It's always very revealing.

I'm wondering about advertising. I'd like to talk a little bit about that. I think we all remember Heritage Minutes and all of that. As a department, how much advertising is run in terms of dollars?