There's an effort to essentially protect those in Ottawa, in terms of their perspectives on these things and in terms of who they want on the show.
We did an interview with Karen Johnson, my co-host on the new podcast I'm doing. It is out right now. She's another former CBC employee who is talking about the toxic culture. She alleges that she was called a “brown Barbie” and a “bimbo”. She says there's a high school culture, and these are things that...this is fine. If you have hosts doing that—it's not fine—management is responsible for dealing with it. If management is not going to do anything and if the president of the CBC is going to come here and expect a tongue-lashing and then go back to the CBC and continue to get funding without accountability, these practices will continue.
Shame is clearly not enough to get the CBC to a place where it will hold itself accountable, so it's incumbent upon this committee to do that.