Yes, that's right.
Evidence of meeting #18 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was list.
A video is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #18 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was list.
A video is available from Parliament.
8:20 p.m.
Vice-President, Government Relations, Canadian Credit Union Association
Yes, that's right.
8:20 p.m.
Liberal
Yasir Naqvi Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON
I probably have 50 seconds left, so I will very quickly go to Ms. Mason.
What process did you follow to unfreeze the bank accounts?
8:20 p.m.
General Counsel and Vice-President, Canadian Bankers Association
We unfroze bank accounts when the RCMP indicated that the individuals were no longer to be considered designated persons.
There was also a situation where an individual was able to show one of our members that they were no longer in Ottawa and participating in those activities and their account was unfrozen.
8:20 p.m.
NDP
8:20 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Mr. Hatch, can you send us a list of the accounts you seized, with the dates they were seized and the dates they were unfrozen?
8:20 p.m.
Vice-President, Government Relations, Canadian Credit Union Association
No, I don't have access to that information.
8:20 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
You don't have access to that information, but we need it.
Who do we have to ask to get that list?
8:20 p.m.
Vice-President, Government Relations, Canadian Credit Union Association
That would have to come from the individual institutions that froze the accounts.
8:20 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Could you please provide us with the list of institutions that froze accounts so we can invite them to appear and ask them for a list of the accounts in question?
8:20 p.m.
Vice-President, Government Relations, Canadian Credit Union Association
I would have to get back to the committee on that question. I'd be happy to, but I'd have to go back and follow up to see whether or not that would be possible.
We surveyed our members to get an indication of how many accounts were frozen across the sector nationwide. The number that came back, as I mentioned earlier, was 10 accounts.
8:25 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Sorry to cut you off, but I'm running out of time.
I'd like to know which accounts were seized and when, and when they were unfrozen.
8:25 p.m.
NDP
The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green
I'm going to pause your intervention.
There doesn't seem to be a shift and if this is broadcast, Mr. Fortin, I want to make sure that you're reflected for the duration of your intervention.
If there's a technical difficulty, can we make sure that the camera goes to Mr. Fortin? Otherwise, people will think that my Québécois is flawless, but I can assure you it's not me with the intervention.
8:25 p.m.
NDP
The Joint Chair NDP Matthew Green
There we go. There's Mr. Fortin. He has the nice tie on.
I hope that interruption was appropriate. We want to make sure you're getting your share.
8:25 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
That's no problem. I'll carry on. I don't need the camera on me to ask questions.
Mr. Hatch, I'd like the list of the 10 accounts that were seized, the institutions that seized them, as well as when they were seized and unfrozen.
Are you going to ask your members to provide us with that information in the next 10 days?
8:25 p.m.
Vice-President, Government Relations, Canadian Credit Union Association
I will ask the members of my association whether sharing that information gives rise to any privacy concerns.
8:25 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Tell them the committee is asking for the information.
Forgive me for being abrupt, Mr. Hatch, but my time is limited and I have more questions. I'm going to ask Ms. Mason the same question, and, then, I'll come back to you.
Ms. Mason, is it possible to provide the committee with the list of banks that seized accounts, along with the dates on which they were seized and the dates on which they were unfrozen?
8:25 p.m.
General Counsel and Vice-President, Canadian Bankers Association
We provided this information on a white label basis to the Department of Finance and also to the public commission. All of the personal information was redacted for privacy reasons.
8:25 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
I understand that the personal information was redacted for the Public Order Emergency Commission, but you didn't answer my question.
I am asking you for that list on behalf of the special joint committee of the House of Commons and the Senate.
What is your answer to my request?
8:25 p.m.
General Counsel and Vice-President, Canadian Bankers Association
My answer was that I would have to address the issues of privacy.
I'm happy to come back to you on what I would be able to provide. I was giving, by way of comparison, what I have been able to provide so far.
8:25 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Thank you, Ms. Mason.
I'm coming back to you, Mr. Hatch.
In your opening statement, you said you represent Canadian credit unions and caisses populaires outside Quebec. My understanding is that the Desjardins caisses populaires do not belong to your association.
Is that right?
8:25 p.m.
Vice-President, Government Relations, Canadian Credit Union Association
That's right. They are not part of our association.
8:25 p.m.
Bloc
8:25 p.m.
Vice-President, Government Relations, Canadian Credit Union Association
Desjardins was absolutely part of the discussions at the time, as the chief financial institution in the province of Quebec, but you would have to speak to them directly to get the details.