Evidence of meeting #2 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Peter Harder  Senator, Ontario, PSG
Vernon White  Senator, Ontario, CSG
Claude Carignan  Senator, Québec (Mille Isles), C
Joint Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Paul Cardegna

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Thank you, Mr. Green.

The clerk advises me that under the housekeeping motions we adopted at our March 14 meeting, witnesses are strongly encouraged to submit their speaking notes 72 hours prior to the meeting.

In theory, this should work, but I don't think we can force them to do so. It is already in our housekeeping rules.

Do you agree with that, Mr. Green?

8:30 p.m.

NDP

The Joint Co-Chair NDP Matthew Green

Yes, that's fine with me.

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Is everyone in agreement, or does anyone want to speak on Mr. Motz's friendly amendment?

Shall we proceed to the vote or is there unanimous consent?

I find that there is unanimous consent.

(Motion agreed to)

8:30 p.m.

The Co‑Chair Mr. Rhéal Fortin

We will now work on Mr. Brock's motion, which has been amended by Mr. Motz. The proposal is to allow an hour and a half for each witness, for a total of six hours.

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Mr. Virani, you have the floor.

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

I'd like to comment on another issue.

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

You'd like to comment on another issue?

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Have we voted yet?

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

In fact, there was unanimous consent. We are now dealing with Mr. Brock's motion as amended by Mr. Motz.

Could you call the question, Mr. Clerk?

There is unanimous consent.

(Motion agreed to)

The Joint Chair (Mr. Rhéal Fortin):

This is too easy; I am not used to this. So we'll move on to the next item.

Mr. Virani, do you want to speak?

8:30 p.m.

Liberal

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

Yes. I would like to move another motion, which all members of the committee have already received.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

I have a point of order.

We have not voted on the last one. We voted on the amendment for 1.5 hours, but we didn't vote on the main motion.

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

I had understood that it was done. That's what I asked for. I wanted us to vote, but I was told that Mr. Brock's proposal, which you amended, Mr. Motz, was unanimous.

That is the motion that we have just adopted unanimously. If I have misunderstood, please correct me. If not, I think we are ready to return to the agenda.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

So now we're going to vote on the main amendment and—

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

No, it was adopted.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

No, that was not my understanding at all.

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

So we're going to vote.

You may proceed to the vote, Mr. Clerk. We'll vote on Mr. Brock's motion, as amended by Mr. Motz.

8:30 p.m.

The Joint Clerk Mr. Paul Cardegna

In my view, the confusion arises from the fact that it was Mr. Motz's subamendment, and by the same token, Mr. Brock's amendment, which were referred to, but both of these proposals related to Mr. Naqvi's motion. In my view, Mr. Motz is suggesting that the committee be asked whether it is in favour of Mr. Naqvi's amended motion.

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

The motion as it currently stands...

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Chair, if I may?

8:30 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

Yes.

8:30 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

Before we vote on Mr. Naqvi's motion, I think it's fair that we actually adjourn that vote and adjourn the debate on that. I think at this stage we are now receiving witness testimony when we get to this motion, and we need to sort out the legal issue first before we start dealing with witness testimony.

I don't disagree with it. I'm just saying let's hold it in abeyance until we sort out the legal issue.

8:35 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

There is a motion to adjourn.

8:35 p.m.

Conservative

Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB

It's a motion to adjourn debate on this motion.

8:35 p.m.

Bloc

The Joint Co-Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin

All right.

Does anyone wish to speak to the motion to adjourn? I see that you don't.

So we will vote on Mr. Motz's motion that we adjourn the debate on the fourth motion, which was made by Mr. Naqvi.

Mr. Clerk, you may proceed to the vote.

8:35 p.m.

Senator, Ontario, CSG

Vernon White

Excuse me, Mr. Chair.