Evidence of meeting #8 for Declaration of Emergency in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was documents.
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Liberal
Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC
Mr. Chair, I think our colleague Senator White has moved an amendment. I would just like that to be clarified.
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Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
You're right, he moved to reverse the order of the third and fourth groups.
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Liberal
Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC
To be clear, I'll add that we would be supportive of the amendment.
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Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Is there unanimous consent to reversing the order of the third and fourth groups?
(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
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Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
There is another point I would like to bring to your attention. In the event that one of these witnesses isn't available, or that the meeting is postponed, for various reasons, then the joint chairs, working with the clerks, should have the option of amending the list, for example by adding witnesses to replace the ones who aren't available. That would avoid pointlessly convening the committee. That's what I am proposing.
Is that agreeable, Ms. Bendayan?
6:50 p.m.
Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
I'm proposing another amendment with respect to clause 4.
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Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Could we first finish dealing with my proposal?
You're saying you have another amendment to propose, is that right?
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Conservative
Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON
I missed what you're putting forward and what you're proposing. Can you repeat it, please?
6:50 p.m.
Bloc
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Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Ms. Bendayan's motion has already been amended by Mr. White's amendment, to reverse the order of the third and fourth groups. Now, do you agree that if the witnesses were not available, the three joint chairs and the clerks could agree on other witnesses to call for those meetings?
Is that agreeable to everyone?
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Voices
Agreed.
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Conservative
Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB
I have a question about the motion and the amendment.
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Conservative
Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB
First of all, I know that 3 and 4 now have been flipped around, and I'm fine with that, but who will come from the Ottawa Police Service and who from the Ontario Provincial Police? That's pretty ambiguous. We need names, because I can't support an Ottawa Police Service, and I can't support an OPP.... Who are they?
We have lists of witnesses from both of those agencies who should be called. You can't have a motion like this with that.... It's not my motion, but I can't support a motion when we don't know who is going to be here.
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Liberal
Rachel Bendayan Liberal Outremont, QC
Are you proposing an amendment? You can easily specify who you would like in the motion.
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Conservative
Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB
Sure. I'd love to.
I would also suggest, once I give you the names, that our time allotment for that is certainly not enough. I know we're talking about one and a half hours for both individuals, as I read what's written here as being in number 4. That is not sufficient time for either one of those agencies, quite honestly, and if I look back over our previous discussions, we talked about expanding the number of Ottawa Police Service people who were going to be here, so that would be my suggestion.
Ottawa Police Service Deputy Chief Ferguson as well as Interim Chief Steve Bell should be included in the Ottawa Police Service list. The OPP has Commissioner Carrique and any senior officials he might bring. They should have one and a half hours each. That's an hour and a half for each session, and they need to be open to bringing officials from both agencies. The invitation should be open enough that they can bring officials who can speak to the invocation like we talk about it here. They could add some value to our meeting.
6:55 p.m.
Bloc
The Joint Chair Bloc Rhéal Fortin
Mr. Motz, I want to make sure I understood what you're proposing regarding the Ottawa Police Service properly. Do you want the committee to have the current chief and also its previous chief, Mr. Sloly?
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Conservative
Glen Motz Conservative Medicine Hat—Cardston—Warner, AB
No, I'm indicating Interim Chief Bell and Deputy Chief Ferguson for an hour and a half. Then I'm proposing Commissioner Carrique from the OPP and any senior officials for an hour and a half.
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Conservative
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A voice
[Inaudible—Editor] cancel the parliamentary security, because there's no other time.
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Conservative