Evidence of meeting #11 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was offence.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Cynthia Wright  Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment
Albin Tremblay  Chief Enforcement Officer, Department of the Environment
Sarah Cosgrove  Manager, Legislative Advice Section, Department of the Environment
Darlene Pearson  Director, Legislation and Policy, Parks Canada Agency
Linda Tingley  Senior Counsel, Department of Justice
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Normand Radford

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

We're going to start our study on Bill C-16. And as we always do with bills, we kick off with a briefing from departmental officials.

Joining us again from the Department of the Environment are Cynthia Wright, acting assistant deputy minister of the environmental stewardship branch; Albin Tremblay, chief enforcement officer; and Sarah Cosgrove, manager, legislative advice section. We also have Linda Tingley, senior counsel, Department of Justice. From Parks Canada we have Darlene Pearson, director, legislation and policy. Welcome, all.

We're going to kick off with a 15-minute presentation from Environment Canada.

Are you presenting on behalf of Environment Canada?

9:05 a.m.

Cynthia Wright Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Yes, I am, Mr. Chair.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

We'll try to get through three rounds as fast as possible and then we have some business to deal with at the end of the meeting.

With that, please provide us with your presentation.

9:05 a.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cynthia Wright

Thank you.

The enforcement bill, Bill C-16, would strengthen environmental enforcement to make polluters more accountable. The amendments are designed to contribute to the three main goals: deterrence of environmental offences, public denunciation of environmental offences, and restoration of environmental harm resulting from unlawful activity. These main goals are achieved through amendments to the fines schemes, to the sentencing provisions, and to the enforcement tools.

The bill proposes to amend six Environment Canada-administered statutes, including the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, or CEPA, and the Migratory Birds Convention Act. It also amends three Parks Canada-administered statutes, including the Canada National Parks Act.

The bill also introduces an entirely new statute, the Environmental Violations Administrative Monetary Penalties Act, which I will discuss towards the end of my presentation.

With respect to the fines, to best understand what the bill proposes, it is necessary to first summarize the existing fines schemes under the statutes it amends. Currently, all offenders under these acts are liable to a maximum fine and/or maximum jail term. The highest current maximum fines are under CEPA, the Antarctic Environmental Protection Act, and the Migratory Birds Convention Act, at $1 million on indictment or $300,000 on summary conviction.

Other acts have lower maximum fines. For example, the International River Improvements Act currently provides for maximum fines of $500 on summary conviction and $5,000 on indictment.

Fines imposed by courts tend to be much lower than the maximum fines. The bill attempts to address this by introducing minimum fines for the most serious offences and increasing the maximum fines, by introducing higher fines for corporate offenders than for individual offenders, and by ensuring all statutes authorize the doubling of fines for second and subsequent offences.

This slide shows the fines scheme proposed by the bill. For the minimum fines for the most serious offences—by that term we mean those that are involved in direct harm or risk of harm to the environment or obstruction of authority—the proposed fines scheme includes different fines for individuals, corporations, and small-revenue corporations. These distinctions are meant to reflect the respective financial capacity of each type of offender and to ensure fines achieve their goals of deterrence and denunciation regardless of the wealth of the offender.

The proposed fines scheme also changes maximum fines from the existing high of $1 million for all offenders to $1 million for individuals, $4 million for small-revenue corporations, and $6 million for corporations. Finally, the proposed scheme provides double fine ranges for second and subsequent offenders.

Importantly, the bill authorizes the court to consider substantially similar offences under other federal or provincial environmental or wildlife laws when determining whether an offender is a second or subsequent offender.

The bill adds a provision to each statute directing that the fines collected under the statute are to be credited to the environmental damages fund to ensure they can contribute to environmental restoration goals. Currently, most funds are generally paid to the Receiver General, where they are not necessarily available for restoring environmental damage resulting from offences. The environmental damages fund, which was created in 1995, makes compensation received as a result of court awards, settlements, and voluntary payments available for rehabilitation or restoration projects. Money in the fund is to be used, where possible, for projects in the area where the harm occurred. It may also be used for research and education related to protecting and restoring the environment.

The bill adds a purpose clause to the sentencing provisions of the statutes it amends, which sets out the fundamental purposes of deterrence, denunciation, and restoration of the harmed environment. The bill also emphasizes the importance of accounting for aggravating factors when determining appropriate penalties. It adds to each statute the principle that the amount of the fine should be increased to account for every aggravating factor associated with the offence and reflect the gravity of each of those factors. It adds a list of specific aggravating factors that should be taken into account, including that the offence caused damage to the environment.

The bill ensures that when considering the gravity of aggravating factors, such as damage to the environment, the court takes into account damage to both use and non-uses of the environment. Use value and non-use values are terms of environmental economics. Their inclusion in these statutes will ensure that the full value of the environment is considered by sentencing judges.

Use values include the value derived from the direct use of the environment, such as the use of water for drinking, as well as the value derived from indirect use of the environment, such as the value of a healthy river for recreational fishing. It also includes option value, the value of the environment for a future use.

Non-use value includes the environment's existence value, the value received from knowing that a resource, a good, or a service exists, and its bequest value, the value received from ensuring that a resource, good, or service will be available to future generations.

The bill contributes to the objective of deterrence by increasing access to information about convictions. It introduces a requirement to each act for the minister to establish a publicly accessible registry of corporate convictions. This would be an Internet-based registry, housed on Environment Canada's enforcement website.

The bill also adds a provision to each statute obliging the court to order corporate offenders to notify their shareholders of the facts relating to a commission of offence and the details of the punishment imposed. This obligation is new to each statute. Previously, courts were authorized under some statutes to order offenders to publish the details of the conviction. The bill retains that discretionary authority, while at the same time adding this new mandatory order. The obligation recognizes the deterrent effect that public disclosure has on corporate behaviour. Contravention of such an order will be considered an offence for which the offenders are liable to the highest fine ranges.

Bill C-16 also proposes to add a provision to each statute, obliging the court to order an offender to pay an additional fine equal to an estimated value of any benefit, advantage, or property gained as a result of the commission of the offence. The bill also introduces explicit authority for the courts to suspend or cancel a licence, or other authorizations issued to offenders under the statute contravened, and for the courts to prohibit offenders from applying for a new licence or permit for an amount of time.

Most of the statutes amended by Bill C-16 already authorize the court to make a number of orders upon sentencing an offender. These range from ordering the offender to undertake restoration work to compensating the government for remedial work. As these provisions were added over time, the bill ensures that each statute has a comparable suite of authorities that are relevant to each one.

Bill C-16 makes amendments to the enforcement tool provisions in the statutes as well. It adds an authority for enforcement officers to issue compliance orders to several statutes. The compliance orders already exist under CEPA. By using them, enforcement officers can cause a person to cease an illegal activity or correct a contravention without having to seek an injunction or initiate a prosecution. Those formal court procedures involve specific steps and take time before remedies can be effected. As such, they're not ideal for addressing an offence that is causing or will cause immediate harm to the environment. However, a compliance order can be issued without delay. Persons who are issued a compliance order can apply to the chief review officer, an administrative decision-maker established under CEPA, to have the order reviewed. As such, fairness is ensured while enabling enforcement officers to have access to a speedy remedy for situations where immediate action is deemed necessary.

Bill C-16 further strengthens the enforcement tool by adding authority to several acts for the minister to designate analysts. Analysts are scientific or technical experts who may accompany enforcement officers to carry out specific inspection activities, including taking samples. They already operate under some statutes, including CEPA, and have been very useful. The bill also extends the limitation period on instituting proceedings by way of summary conviction from two to five years and changes the day on which this period begins, from the day on which the minister becomes aware of the offence to the day on which the offence occurs.

Finally, the bill also gives enforcement officers and analysts operating under each of the acts the same level of immunity from personal liability that is already afforded to marine safety officers, pollution response officers, and inspectors operating under the Canada Shipping Act, 2001. It ensures that enforcement officers and analysts can perform their duties in good faith, without fear of civil suits.

As I mentioned at the beginning of my presentation, the bill also creates the Environmental Violations Administrative Monetary Penalties Act. The new act would set out the necessary framework to establish a system of administrative monetary penalties that are applicable to other statutes. The administrative monetary penalties are modest financial penalties that are limited to $5,000 for an individual and $25,000 for a corporation and are meant to provide a quick and more efficient response to the less serious offences than prosecution provides.

Administrative monetary penalties may be imposed on persons or ships by enforcement officers who have reasonable grounds to believe that the person or ship has committed an offence. Persons or ships subject to an administrative monetary penalty may pay the penalty outright or contest it administratively. The bill authorizes the chief review officer appointed under CEPA to hear appeals of administrative monetary penalties.

This ends my formal presentation, but I'd like to draw the attention of committee members to two additional documents that we've provided. One is a general overview of the bill that shows the nature of the amendments, the statutes under which it applies, and the pages and clauses of those statutes. The second one is a table that summarizes through an easy overview all the amendments that are made, where they're made, and where they already exist in the statute.

Thank you.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you very much. We appreciate it.

Do any of the witnesses have anything to add?

We'll go to our first round.

For seven minutes, please, Mr. Trudeau.

March 26th, 2009 / 9:15 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Thank you.

Thank you for your presentation.

I guess I'm curious, because there are two parts to environmental enforcements. Are these people going to court? Are we bringing them forward, and what are the consequence once we bring them forward?

This bill largely addresses sentencing, compliance, consequences, restitution, and those kinds of things. Are we making it any easier? How does this bill facilitate the actual arrest or the bringing of offenders before a court under this act?

9:15 a.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cynthia Wright

I guess the first part of that to point out is on the compliance orders. This enables stopping the infraction right away.

The second point to remind members of, as I'm sure you will recall, is that additional enforcement officers have been hired. I think it's an important point.

I don't know if my colleague, Albin Tremblay, would like to add anything more on that.

9:20 a.m.

Albin Tremblay Chief Enforcement Officer, Department of the Environment

I might approach it differently, sir. I don't think it facilitates bringing people before the courts. It will, however, facilitate the work of the enforcement officers, who will be able to settle the less important cases more easily by means of administrative sanctions instead of having to go to court. They can therefore devote more time to the more important cases.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Thank you.

In the past three years, how many times did people go to court for infractions of the law by various organizations, companies or individuals? How many sentences were given?

9:20 a.m.

Chief Enforcement Officer, Department of the Environment

Albin Tremblay

I have the data here. In the past five years, there were 656 prosecutions, of which 479 cases culminated in convictions. In all, there were 502 sentences or convictions. The figures do not match because often, in the same prosecution, there may be two convictions, but that gives you an idea of the number of prosecutions that ended up before the courts in the past five years.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

I'm having a hard time putting that in context. You talk about 656 prosecutions in five years. Is that a lot? Or is it not a lot? Does that mean that only 600 people broke the law? It doesn't seem like very much to me.

9:20 a.m.

Chief Enforcement Officer, Department of the Environment

Albin Tremblay

That doesn't mean there were only 656 cases. Lots of cases are settled before going to court, further to directives from our officers, settlements and warnings. It doesn't give any idea of the order of magnitude concerning the number of cases that were processed. These are simply the ones that resulted in prosecutions. I'd say that this is a small proportion of the total cases handled by enforcement officers in recent years.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

That's fine. Let's look at the figure of 656 cases for the past five years. Last year, was there exactly one-fifth of that total? Do you have annual figures?

9:20 a.m.

Chief Enforcement Officer, Department of the Environment

Albin Tremblay

I don't have them available here, but we do have them. I could easily send them to you.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

I'd like to know how many a year, in order to know whether, since the change of government, there have been more or fewer cases brought before the courts.

Mr. Chairman, this question may be for Ms. Wright.

What kind of evidence has been gathered anecdotally or from other jurisdictions that bigger fines actually have consequences, that they change behaviours?

9:20 a.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cynthia Wright

I can allow Ms. Cosgrove to elaborate, but there have been several studies to show that particularly when you indicate the maximum fine, you're indicating the severity of the offence and you're giving an example of society's intolerance for such offences. So there have been studies on that. The other thing we did to determine the actual fines was look at recently renewed legislation in other jurisdictions, including other provinces in Canada. So the $6 million figure comes from the highest maximum fines in Canada, which are under the Government of Ontario.

Sarah, do you want to elaborate on any studies? If the chair is okay, we could elaborate a little bit on the studies that we do.

9:20 a.m.

Sarah Cosgrove Manager, Legislative Advice Section, Department of the Environment

We don't have the actual details, but we could provide those further.

There are several studies that have focused on corporations and shown that corporate behaviour specifically is affected by penalties. In addition, penalties are commonly known to be an effective deterrent and tool for denunciation at large, either with individuals or corporations.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

In regard to the slide on page 8 about use value and non-use vale, do ecosystem services figure into one of those?

9:25 a.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cynthia Wright

Yes, they do, and Environment Canada does have a database that will be useful for prosecutors to guide them on this kind of thing.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Justin Trudeau Liberal Papineau, QC

Does it fall under use or non-use?

9:25 a.m.

Acting Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

Cynthia Wright

It's both, because it depends on whether it's just by virtue of its existence, or whether it's actually being used. So in some cases, like a wetland, it will be being used as a purification area.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you.

Monsieur Bigras.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Bernard Bigras Bloc Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. First of all, thank you for being here and thank you especially for the little document which you sent to us, "General Overview of Bill C-16." I think it will be really useful. There is no point in pretending, this bill is very technical, difficult and inaccessible for parliamentarians. I think that this overview will be particularly helpful during the clause-by-clause study of the bill.

I'd like to come back to the number of cases that Mr. Trudeau was talking about a little earlier, because this is important. Different information is going around, including some I obtained about the average number of charges and convictions since 2000.

Can you confirm to us that, since 2000, the average number of charges under the law is between 3 and 14? Is this possible?

9:25 a.m.

Chief Enforcement Officer, Department of the Environment

Albin Tremblay

The information you're talking about relates solely to the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, or CEPA. The data that I have do not match that at all. This information had been provided for a technical session, but it dealt only with the application of CEPA. I can check and confirm this information, but it is definitely not going to match the data for the set of statutes affected by this new bill.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Bernard Bigras Bloc Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Okay. But this bill also affects CEPA. Is the information accurate that claims there have been only 1 to 5 convictions a year on average in connection with CEPA since 2000?