In the opening statements by the senior enforcement officer and in his presentation, he talked about the overall need to have all the tools to actually encourage deterrence. They mentioned that they actually belonged to the International Network for Environmental Compliance and Enforcement, which I've been part of. One of the principles that have come out of that very clearly is that true deterrence is not fostered by having heavy penalties in legislation; true deterrence is fostered by the reasonable apprehension of actual prosecution and conviction.
Would you agree with that? And if that's the case, then is it perhaps equally important that we be encouraging the government to bring the cases to court, or to enable private prosecutors to bring the cases to court, to actually cause the deterrence?