There are different multi-stakeholder opportunities. There are environmental management opportunities through groups like CEMA and RAMP, which doesn't have a management function but has a monitoring function. I think it's fair to say--you might have heard it speaking to other stakeholders--there is a real sense of consultation fatigue.
Pembina Institute has four staff to work on oil sands issues. We have to be very choosey about where we invest that time. After choosing not to participate in RAMP, we invested substantial amounts of time in CEMA from 2002 to 2008. We participate in both negotiating directly with companies and appearing at regulatory hearings. We also invest time in trying to get information that's not really publicly available out into the public discourse through our oil sands research that you can see on our website.
We participated in good faith through the CEMA process, and I think that process failed. When we left that process we provided a list of recommendations on ways to improve environmental management that would bring us back to the table.