Thank you, Chair.
I don't think there's anyone around this table who would disagree with the principle and the fundamental value that the advisory bodies should be independent and not political and should not have political or bureaucratic influence. I think we all agree with that.
What I think is happening is that when the body politically criticizes a decision of the minister, then that body has crossed the line.
The topic of today is to review SARA; it's not to criticize a decision made in 2007 by a minister. I think we need to stay on topic. It's a SARA review; it's not for our witness to criticize a minister and a decision of the minister. That becomes political, and it's off topic.