One example is in fact the Boreal Leadership Council, which actually does quite a bit of work in terms of pulling together industry officials and conservation organizations to sit down at the table and ask how we protect this particular area with a land use plan that is actually representative and that gives a good eye to conservation through that lens.
It's possible to do that. Certainly, if industry can sit at that table, there's no reason why a government can't sit at that table and work with us to try to find those solutions. I'm not pessimistic. I think the bones of the Species at Risk Act are in the right place. We just need to find ways to be able to take away the duplication and make it work for all of us.