Evidence of meeting #38 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
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5:15 p.m.
NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
Mr. Chair, the motion before us is that we should open up for new testimony. I don't think it's appropriate to be going back over testimony we've already heard. It's not relevant to the motion.
5:15 p.m.
Conservative
Steven Blaney Conservative Lévis—Bellechasse, QC
Mr. Chair, it is essential that the logic behind our arguments be based on existing foundations. I think this is a deliberate attempt by Ms. Duncan to stop the member from underscoring the importance of hearing new evidence. Our argument does just that, it relies on points raised by witnesses. They managed to shake our confidence in this bill.
5:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative James Bezan
We are into a new question. The question is different, so the information is....
Essentially, since we're dealing with a new motion, we're dealing with new debate. However, I ask that all members make sure that when they're speaking to the motion they are relevant to the motion.
We're making the argument to receive additional briefs and additional witness testimony. When you're speaking to the motion, please speak to those crucial elements of the motion.
5:15 p.m.
NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
I have another point of order. Could I ask you to reiterate who's on the speaking list?
5:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative James Bezan
On the speaking list, I have Calkins, Warawa, Armstrong, Woodworth, Ms. Duncan, and then Mr. Blaney.
5:15 p.m.
Conservative
Steven Blaney Conservative Lévis—Bellechasse, QC
On a point of order, I had asked to speak before Mr. Calkins.
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative James Bezan
Well, I was writing names down as I saw them. I have Calkins, Warawa....
Oh, Mr. Calkins has already spoken.
Mr. Warawa is speaking now. Then I had Mr. Armstrong. Then I saw Mr. Woodworth. Then I saw Ms. Duncan.
And then I saw you, Mr. Blaney. I'm sorry if I missed you, but I saw who I saw.
With that—
5:20 p.m.
Bloc
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative James Bezan
Ms. Murray is on the list now as well.
So with that process, we all know where we stand.
Mr. Warawa, you still have the floor.
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC
Thank you, Chair.
I have a procedure question: would I be able to share my time with Mr. Blaney?
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative James Bezan
This isn't a scheduled round where we are dealing with witnesses, where we have time allocation. The floor is yours, Mr. Warawa. When you're done speaking, I'll move on to the next on my list, which is Mr. Armstrong.
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC
Thank you.
Chair, I find it a little disheartening when we have the coalition—excuse me, the members—all voting the same across the way.
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative James Bezan
Order, please.
There are too many sidebar conversations, and I'm hearing-impaired and having trouble hearing.
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC
Chair, the tactic is well organized and orchestrated. It's to interrupt by using points of order to end debate.
The minute I refer to the Shipping Federation of Canada, the members of the non-coalition almost instantaneously interrupt and gag and stop. And why is that? Well, I was going to use that as an introduction from the other witness, who I think we should have called here, the witness from the Seafarers' International Union of Canada. Then I was going to refer to the Business Council of British Columbia, and then I was going to refer to the Canadian Energy Pipeline Association.
These are all briefings that we've received. These are all people who should be invited to speak. But it appears that the non-coalition members keep wanting to interrupt and don't want to hear from them. These are important people.
I keep going back to the importance of hearing from first nations. Why...?
Chair, without ending my place in the speaking order, would it be in order for me to ask, through you, if the clerk invited...?
I don't want to lose my speaking order--
5:20 p.m.
Conservative
Mark Warawa Conservative Langley, BC
--but I'm wondering about first nations. Why were they not here? Why have we not had a briefing? This would affect first nations in a way that we cannot even imagine.
