Evidence of meeting #83 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was environment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bob Hamilton  Deputy Minister, Department of the Environment
Alan Latourelle  Chief Executive Officer, Parks Canada
Yves Leboeuf  Vice-President, Operations, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Harold Albrecht

I'd like to call the meeting of the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development to order. This is meeting number 83. We're meeting today pursuant to Standing Order 81(7) to deal with the report on plans and priorities 2013-14 of the Department of the Environment.

We have appearing with us today the Honourable Peter Kent, Minister of the Environment. Along with him, we have a number of witnesses from the departments. From the Department of Environment, we have Mr. Bob Hamilton, deputy minister; from Parks Canada, Alan Latourelle; and from the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency, Mr. Yves Leboeuf, vice-president of operations. Welcome to all of you.

Mr. Kent, we'll begin with you for your 10-minute opening statement. Please proceed.

8:45 a.m.

Thornhill Ontario

Conservative

Peter Kent ConservativeMinister of the Environment

Thank you, Chair.

It's good to be with you all again. I would just say congratulations on a very productive mid-evening last night.

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Harold Albrecht

Thank you.

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

As you said, Mr. Chair, I'm pleased to return today to discuss the 2013-14 report on the plans and priorities for Environment Canada, for Parks Canada, and for the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency. Joining me at the table are Bob Hamilton, the deputy minister of Environment Canada; Alan Latourelle, CEO of Parks Canada; and Yves Leboeuf, acting president of the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency, until the recently appointed president, Ron Hallman, is installed at CEAA.

Just momentarily on the subject of appointments, we were discussing at the last meeting the federal sustainable development strategy appointments to the International Joint Commission. If you haven't been advised, the two vacancies have now been filled. The two commissioners are Benoît Bouchard and Gordon Walker. It's up on the appointments website.

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Harold Albrecht

Mr. Kent, I'm sorry to interrupt you. We have difficulty with our sound.

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Stop the clock.

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8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Harold Albrecht

I will stop the clock.

8:45 a.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

I can stay till 10:00 or 10:30, no problem.

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Harold Albrecht

Is it working now?

Okay, sorry to interrupt you.

8:45 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

As usual, I'll begin with a brief statement and then would be pleased to answer any questions that members may have.

As you know, there are a number of reports that the federal government issues to ensure that its decisions are transparent and accountable. The 2013-14 report on plans and priorities that we're discussing today outlines the departmental and agency goals for fiscal year 2013-14, and the actions to be undertaken to fulfill these objectives over the next three years. Today I'll discuss some of these goals and actions, and provide a brief update on some of our more recent accomplishments.

Beginning with Environment Canada, I am pleased to say the department is making clear progress delivering on its mandate to provide a clean, safe and sustainable environment for Canadians.

My department will continue to safeguard the quality of Canada's air and water, and restore Canada's natural habitat. It will also advance realistic and effective measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to protect Canada's environment in a manner that supports our economy. When it comes to climate change, Environment Canada has taken concrete steps to fulfill Canada's commitment to meeting our Copenhagen target of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 17% below 2005 levels by the year 2020. Following its comprehensive and science-based sector-by-sector approach, the department has already published a series of regulations in alignment with the standards in the United States to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the transportation sector.

For fiscal 2013-2014, our approach will focus on implementing the coal-fired electricity regulations, building on the regulations in the transportation sector, and developing regulations for the oil and gas sector.

The department is also helping Canadians adapt to a changing climate by taking important steps to increase our knowledge and understanding of climate change. It is succeeding, colleagues. Canada's actions to date are estimated to have brought us halfway from our original projections for 2020 to where we need to be to meet our Copenhagen target for greenhouse gas emission reductions by 2020.

Internationally, of course, we are actively engaged in the United Nations process on a new climate change agreement that will include binding commitments for all major emitters. Here at home, Environment Canada's building on its accomplishments in conserving and restoring Canada's natural heritage through programs such as the natural areas conservation program, the ecological gifts program, the habitat stewardship program, and the Species at Risk Act.

These initiatives have demonstrated success. For example, collaborations with the Nature Conservancy of Canada under the natural areas conservation program have helped to acquire and secure more than 350,000 hectares of protected habitat for 148 species at risk. More than 1,000 donations across Canada have been made to the ecological gifts program, and more than 2,000 projects have been funded under the habitat stewardship program. Environment Canada will further this progress by working with partners on a national conservation plan to conserve and promote awareness of these precious natural species.

When it comes to the oil sands, for example, the governments of Canada and Alberta are committed through the joint Canada-Alberta implementation plan for oil sands monitoring to a scientifically rigorous, comprehensive, integrated, and transparent environmental monitoring program for the region. They are demonstrating their commitment to transparency with the recent launch, as you're aware, of the Canada-Alberta oil sands portal website that provides the public with ongoing open access to the most up-to-date scientific data collected by scientists in the field.

Environment Canada is also working to ensure a continued delivery of high-quality weather and environmental services to Canadians and to targeted users. In addition to the funding already included in this report, budget 2013 commits an additional $248 million over five years that will serve the department well in achieving this goal.

Mr. Chair, when it comes to safeguarding the quality of our water, the department remains focused on its collaborative work with its American counterparts, with the provinces, and with municipalities to improve water quality in significant areas such as the Great Lakes, Lake Winnipeg, Lake Simcoe, and of course the St. Lawrence.

It has made it a priority to deliver on the federal components of the National Air Quality Management System which will improve air quality in collaboration with the provinces and territories.

Just last month, Environment Canada announced the implementation of new Canadian ambient air quality standards. My department also initiated consultations on more stringent air pollutant standards for a range of small engines used in the off-road sector. Regulations were recently published to reduce air pollution from ships in the North American emission control area, the Great Lakes, and the St. Lawrence Seaway, as were sulphur in marine diesel regulations to enable the implementation of these new air pollutant standards for ships. As well, I recently announced the government's intent to align with proposed standards in the United States to further limit air pollution emissions from passenger cars and light trucks, and to reduce the sulphur content in gasoline.

Mr. Chair, this highlights some of Environment Canada's plans for the fiscal year. I'd now like to turn to government key priorities and accomplishments set out in Parks Canada's 2013-14 report on plans and priorities. I'll first remind the committee that in the past few years, Parks Canada has built significantly on its proud legacy to protect these special and irreplaceable places that represent the very essence of Canada.

The Government of Canada is investing $75 million over five years in significant Action on the Ground projects, the largest and most ambitious natural resource restoration program of this kind in the history of Parks Canada. These projects will make tangible improvements in the ecological integrity of national parks.

Our highly successful recent initiatives in ecological restoration include the reintroduction of the plains bison and the black-footed ferret to Grasslands National Park after decades of absence.

Establishing national parks and national marine conservation areas has and continues to be a priority for Parks Canada. Since 2006 the Government of Canada has taken actions that will add almost 150,000 square kilometres to Parks Canada's protected areas network. Last year alone, the agency established Nááts’ihch’oh National Park Reserve in the Northwest Territories, and as you know, tabled legislation, which you've been working diligently on, to establish Sable Island National Park Reserve in Nova Scotia. It is also establishing Canada's first national urban park in the Rouge Valley, east of downtown Toronto.

This fiscal year Parks Canada will invest approximately $125 million in Canada's national parks and national historic sites in every province and in every territory across the country. Efforts to expand Canada's natural legacy will continue in places such as Bathurst Island in Nunavut and the Mealy Mountains in Labrador.

Turning now to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency and the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act, 2012, I'm pleased to remind the committee again that this act is an important milestone for Canada. It follows through on recommendations made by this committee to strengthen and to modernize environmental assessment.

And now that it is in place, Canadians can expect predictable and timely reviews, reduced duplication, strengthened environmental protection and enhanced consultations with aboriginal peoples.

We are achieving our objective, colleagues, for a single project review within a clearly defined time period and to have one responsible authority making decisions within legislated timelines. We have new enforcement provisions to ensure that the necessary mitigation measures are put in place to ensure protection of the environment. For the coming year, the agency will carry on with these efforts in support of responsible resource development.

Mr. Chair, these are some of the plans and priorities under my portfolio for fiscal 2013-14. They follow through on the Government of Canada's commitment to ensure that Canadians benefit from a clean, safe, and sustainable environment in a manner that supports our continued economic recovery. They are helping us to make tangible progress, building on our successes and achieving real environmental benefits for today and long into the future.

Mr. Chair, thank you. I await your questions.

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Harold Albrecht

Thank you very much, Minister Kent. That was a great overview of the work that you are doing and planning to do.

We're going to move now to seven-minute rounds of questioning, and our first questioner will be Mr. Sopuck.

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

Robert Sopuck Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Marquette, MB

Thank you.

Thank you, Minister.

A common thread throughout your presentation, which I really appreciated, was the focus on delivering real environmental results. I think we find these environmental debates are basically in two camps. In one camp all they talk about is process, and the camp that I'm certainly in, and obviously, you and your department are in, is dealing with delivering real environmental results. So it was greatly appreciated.

I was recently in Winnipeg where your department made a grant to the Manitoba Habitat Heritage Corporation for wetlands conservation and wetlands restoration, again, very much in the theme of delivering real environmental results. Can you talk about why wetlands are so critical and important? Wetlands have been a focus of all parties in this particular committee, but could you expand on their importance?

8:55 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Thank you very much, and yes.

A good deal of my continuing enlightenment in this area comes from your own experience. I think for me the most telling awareness set in after you showed me satellite pictures of some decades ago, which showed speckles of blue across the Canadian Prairies, and more recent satellite photos that show that in the interests of greater productivity on those lands, those blue areas have been drained and put into production. Of course, the cost of that in some years of extreme spring melt and precipitation creates flooding that costs the Canadian economy, and the provinces, communities, and farmers, billions of dollars in losses.

As you know, and as this committee has contributed to the work on the national conservation plan, we are increasingly focused on the part of that plan enabling wetland restoration—something that we share objectives on with the United States—and on finding ways to incent the agricultural community to restore wetlands, at the same time as allowing them to enjoy greater productivity on the fertile lands that they're still farming. But perhaps it's finding ways of incenting them with a variety of possible tools to re-establish those wetlands.

9 a.m.

Conservative

Robert Sopuck Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Marquette, MB

In terms of the national conservation plan—I'm really glad you brought that up—many of us would like to see a major focus of the plan being on what's called “the working landscape”, the farmed landscape, the landscape where there's active forestry and so on. Will the working landscape be a focus of the national conservation plan?

9 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Yes, I think it would certainly be an essential part of the eventual national conservation plan because the agricultural community is a natural conservation sector of its own. There's an awareness of the balance of best practices with regard to conservation.

We worked with groups like the Nature Conservancy, which, in many of the lands transferred and acquired, allow continued working landscapes, whether forestry, grazing, or other agricultural practices. Ducks Unlimited, of course, is another body that has worked to help our joint continental wetlands re-establishment. I would think that would be an integral part of the eventual national conservation plan.

9 a.m.

Conservative

Robert Sopuck Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Marquette, MB

As you are very well aware, our government established the hunting and angling advisory panel, again in acknowledgement of the terrific conservation work that Canada's anglers and hunters have done over decades and decades. The acknowledgement for their work is long overdue. I know that you met with the hunting and angling groups that are part of the hunting and angling advisory panel. Can you talk about some of the potential that our government will have in terms of working with Canada's anglers and hunters?

9 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Certainly.

The hunting and angling advisory panel, known by its acronym HAAP—we're still looking for a vowel that could make it HAAPY. Working with the panel has brought a voice to the department and across departments that hasn't been well heard in recent decades. Again, Canada's hunting, angling, and trapping sector contributes billions of dollars to the Canadian economy annually. Hunters and anglers, through catch-and-release programs on the angling side, for example, are well aware of threats to fish habitat, to fish populations from invasive species. On the hunting side again, the protection of species at risk and the responsible management of various species are of great interest to that sector.

We'll be talking about a variety of things, contemporizing some of the regulations and laws that the hunting, angling, and trapping sector work under. I think they will contribute significantly to Environment Canada's future accomplishments.

9 a.m.

Conservative

Robert Sopuck Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Marquette, MB

In that same vein, your colleague, the fisheries minister, will be announcing the new recreational fisheries conservation partnerships program, so the notion of governments putting dollars into programs that actually generate real environmental results, again, is a common theme.

In terms of the natural areas conservation plan, where I live south of Riding Mountain National Park, it's a highly targeted area by that program in terms of the conservation of the aspen parkland. Have you been satisfied with the results of that program, and what kind of potential do you see for it over the next few years?

9 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Again, I think the accomplishments are self-evident. They've been recognized, certainly, by the Province of Manitoba, and by landowners and land users in the area.

To come back to your point about the impending announcement of the $10 million in recreational fishing support, it will very nicely mirror the roughly $11-plus million that Environment Canada distributes in modest grants across the habitat stewardship program.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Harold Albrecht

Thank you, Mr. Sopuck. Your time is up.

We move now to Monsieur Choquette and Monsieur Jacob.

9:05 a.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I thank the witnesses for being here with us today.

My first question is about real environmental results. There have been reports that none of the companies operating in the oil sands have met their obligation to clean up their operation of tailings ponds. This government continues to claim it has implemented world-class standards, but is failing to ensure compliance. What is the federal government planning to do to hold polluters to account?

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

Peter Kent Conservative Thornhill, ON

Thank you for your question.

I think you're referring to recent stories about tailings ponds in the oil sands that have not met provincial targets. Of course, as you know, we work with the Province of Alberta too, and we're at the moment crafting regulations for the oil and gas sector, including the oil sands sector, to cover the range of environmental concerns.

We're in the second year of the process of implementing the joint Canada-Alberta oil sands monitoring plan, which was designed by scientists at arm's length. It is being implemented transparently and will address exactly the sorts of issues you raise.

There are certainly challenges in the continuing development of the oil sands, whether with regard to tailings ponds, with regard to water use, or with regard to emissions and emissions intensities. But I can assure you that the Government of Canada is well focused on effectively regulating, with the cooperation of the sector and the provinces and the industry, outcomes that are more environmentally appropriate.

9:05 a.m.

NDP

François Choquette NDP Drummond, QC

Thank you, Minister.

Mr. Chair, I'm going to share my time with Mr. Jacob.

June 18th, 2013 / 9:05 a.m.

NDP

Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC

Thank you, dear colleague.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I also wish to thank the witnesses for being here with us this afternoon.

According to Bill C-481, which I sponsored, the Act to amend the Federal Sustainable Development Act (duty to examine), bills must be examined by the Minister of Justice in order to verify whether they are compatible with the Federal Sustainable Development Act. If they are not compatible, the minister informs the House of Commons as promptly as possible. My bill extends the scope of the spirit of the Federal Sustainable Development Act so that it applies to all bills.

However, last June 4, you said that you would not support Bill C-481 because you felt it added a redundant level of oversight. You stated essentially that the Federal Sustainable Development Act and the Sustainable Development Office already ensure that our departments and legislation respect the parameters of sustainable development.

Can you explain to us how the Federal Sustainable Development Act sees to it that the House of Commons ensures that all bills are in compliance with the principles of sustainable development?