Again, incineration is not the way to go. Even with modern scrubbers, incineration will pretty much give you the same problems as coal in terms of greenhouse gases, in terms of carcinogenic emissions, dioxins and furans. Again, they're just too low a temperature. You need a high temperature and you need to capture everything. That's the technology that is going to dominate, and unfortunately, or fortunately, the Chinese are really working on that, and I firmly believe—again I've been going to China since 1979—that environmentally 15 years out they are going to become leaders if we don't in this area of garbage.
That's hard to believe but I really believe it.