I tried this little experiment in the Netherlands, because they were looking for new technology. They can't landfill efficiently anymore, because they're short of land and they have a high water table, etc. They had a 50-year contract for an incinerator and they weren't sure how they could get out of that. In order to not landfill, they're taking out very contaminated slag and hauling it to one of the eastern European countries and landfilling it there rather than in their own country. To me that is really offloading your time bomb to somebody else.
We need to do a sales job. I think the FCM is a good place to start. You have all of the mayors there. That's a place where this vision can be put together. We must not landfill anymore. We must come up with some of these new technologies. I think with that kind of encouragement from the federal government and hopefully down to the provincial government, municipalities will embrace it. They want to, but they don't have the ability and the finances to actually do the Death Valley thing. There's where the feds come in. They have vision. I think this committee can do that, can provide that vision. Then, of course, you have to convince the minister and the Prime Minister that this is the way to go, because everybody wants a solution to their garbage problem.