Evidence of meeting #110 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was project.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Christine Loth-Bown  Vice-President, Policy Development Sector, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Terence Hubbard  Director General, Petroleum Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources
Brent Parker  Director, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs Division, Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency
Catherine Higgens  Assistant Deputy Minister, Programs, Department of Transport
Jeff Labonté  Assistant Deputy Minister, Major Projects Management Office, Department of Natural Resources

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

You are making a connection.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

—actually incorporates reference to the broader plan and the impact the different tools will have.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I'm not going to debate it. I understand you're making the connection, but this opportunity was for the minister to explore the bill in front of us today. I understand you're making a connection in saying that it has a relation to the decisions being made for Canada, but that is not the bill.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Yes, it is the bill.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Let's give the minister one last chance to wrap it up.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

She has already.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Let's finish it. Let's finish with the minister.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

She's running out my time, Madam Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

She isn't. I haven't taken your time. It's still stopped. We're going to start it now to see if she'd like to give a specific answer, and then we'll move on to the next question.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

Catherine McKenna Liberal Ottawa Centre, ON

I'd just like to again confirm that, because the Conservative Party of Canada has supported meeting our international obligations under the Paris Agreement, I would assume that the party would also support the Government of Canada's ability to meet its environmental obligations and support that the commitments in respect to climate change be considered in any project review.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Okay. Next question.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Directly to the point, Minister, I have in my hands a report produced by your department that claims that your carbon tax will reduce GHG emissions by 90 million tonnes by 2030. What gives you any assurance that you will achieve 90 megatonnes of emissions?

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I'm sorry. I hate to keep doing this, but I'm going to have to interrupt again. That is not what we're discussing today at committee. I want you to have your full time. You asked to have the minister back so that we could ask questions specifically on this bill. That is not on this bill.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

It is on this bill.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

You have related it—

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

Madam Chair, I disagree with you. In fact, this is just another attempt to cover up—

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

I've made the decision. I don't want to take your questions away.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

—the carbon tax.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Do you have another question that's on the bill? Sorry, Ed, I really want to give you your question time, but that is not a question on this bill. You're making a connection, but I am ruling that it is not on the bill.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

It's directly related to whether a project that is going to be evaluated under this bill is going to be approved. If the carbon tax doesn't work, the likelihood of a project being rejected dramatically increases.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Ed, I've made a ruling on that question. Would you like to ask another question that's related specifically to the bill?

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

I am going to ask a question related to the bill about proposed paragraph 22(1)(i) that expressly addresses the requirement that projects considered under this legislation—

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

Ed, I don't want to take your question time away.

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Conservative

Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC

—be evaluated in terms of the climate change plan the minister has brought forward, and part of that climate change plan is a carbon tax.

Canadians have a right to know what the impact on them is and whether it reduces emissions, Madam Chair.

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte

You've made your point.