Evidence of meeting #111 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was definition.
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11:50 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
There are other ones that will come up, but this.... Let's do what we said we're going to do.
Next up is Mr. Amos.
11:50 a.m.
Liberal
William Amos Liberal Pontiac, QC
Thank you, Madam Chair.
I appreciate the intent of Ms. May and Ms. Duncan. I think we are all on the same page. There's a desire to reflect the testimony that we received from so many indigenous groups. There's a desire to see UNDRIP incorporated.
As you are aware, I have several amendments on this topic, specifically LIB-2, LIB-7, LIB-79 and LIB-83. My suggestion would be, with respect, Madam Chair, for simplicity's sake and efficiency's sake, that we take a look at these holus-bolus: the references, the amendments proposed by Ms. Duncan on UNDRIP and by Ms. May, and my own as well. That way, we can dispose of a great number more at the same time.
At the end of the day, I think we're looking to ensure that we have the most secure and solid incorporation of UNDRIP into this bill, and I would submit that these amendments that I've proposed are going to help us achieve just that.
11:50 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Okay. It's a suggestion. Before I give it over, it's going to take a few minutes for the legislative clerk to actually pick up all the right ones for that in the document you have. You've mentioned four of them.
11:50 a.m.
NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
I'm going to have to sit down and go through all of them. They're all throughout the whole—
11:50 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Yes, I don't think I can do this unless you guys know exactly what it is. Let's let that go—
11:50 a.m.
An hon. member
All in one—
11:50 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
We know exactly Elizabeth's.... We can look at hers, so let's leave it with the ones we've identified and then we'll see if we can be more.... If you guys can work on that, on bringing them together, we'll try. Okay? Where we can, we'll try. Okay.
Ms. May.
11:50 a.m.
Green
Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC
Madam Chair, my procedural rights here are odd and derive entirely from the motion you passed. If I were a member of committee at this point, I would move to take my amendments off in favour of Will's. I don't have the right to do that. My motions are deemed moved by the process of this committee.
That's just to say that I really want to see the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in this bill. If it's from a Green Party amendment, a Liberal amendment, or an NDP amendment, I'm not fussy about it. Do what you would like to do to expedite that.
11:50 a.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
Well, Madam Chair, you're suggesting that we find a way of grouping amendments and passing them all in one swoop. Is that correct?
11:50 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Only where they are repetitive. If we agree with the concept and agree on the principle and it's reflected identically through the document, then we could potentially do that. I'm not saying that I'm going to do it in every case—
11:50 a.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
That would be a big mistake. I believe we received the bulk of the amendments this past Thursday. There are 400 of them—400—and we're supposed to know exactly which ones are common and should be passed in sort of a smaller omnibus motion, and which ones should be done individually...? It's unreasonable. We are going to end up with a really sloppy product. This has been a sloppy process as it is, but to have a sloppy product at the end of that process would be a travesty, because of the importance of this legislation, so could I please ask that we go through this clause by clause by clause, with no grouping of amendments? We deal with them per clause and in order.
11:50 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Just so you know, we are doing the one clause, clause 1. I am taking it down the line. We're doing line by line—
11:50 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Okay? Where there's identical wording and you're changing one word for another word, I understand that you are indicating that you would need to know the context of that to really appreciate it. Definitely, I know there's a lot, so take a look.
May 8th, 2018 / 11:50 a.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
We're not dealing with one word, Madam Chair. We're dealing with a much larger phrase—
11:50 a.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
—and if you actually transpose it to different areas of the bill, the context might change. I think we need to deal with each clause individually. If that's what you're saying you're planning on doing, I'm totally in favour of that, and I applaud you for that.
11:55 a.m.
Liberal
Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON
Madam Chair, can we please try to stick to the five minutes? We're never going to get through this. It's been well over five minutes.
Can we please move to the vote?
11:55 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Mike, just so you know, it's five minutes per party. I am tracking it up here. So, please, I have the clock, and I'm keeping an eye on it.