Evidence of meeting #113 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was line.
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11:10 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
That's in the second line of proposed subsection 28(3) in the amendment. It would add “and indigenous groups”.
11:10 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Does everybody understand the subamendment? We're adding “and indigenous groups” after “public” in the second line of that subsection.
11:10 a.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
I call for a recorded vote.
(Subamendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
11:15 a.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
I call for a recorded vote.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1)
11:15 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
We'll move on to amendment NDP-32. If this adopted, amendment LIB-20 cannot be moved because of redundancy.
Ms. Duncan.
11:15 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Yes, that's what will happen. Amendment LIB-20 cannot be moved because it would be redundant with what you're doing here.
11:15 a.m.
NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
Okay.
This relates to specific submissions from Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, the British Columbia Assembly of First Nations, and the Cold Lake First Nations. It would ensure that traditional knowledge is afforded the same weight by agency staff and decision-makers as western science. The expert panel called for the integration of traditional knowledge in all phases of impact assessment, and the first nations generally have been concerned that it would treated with an afterthought.
Given the changes that have been made throughout the bill, I am going to amend this new subsection, though, to say, “The report must also set out how indigenous knowledge of indigenous peoples”. That's the way we seem to be drafting the bill, which is a bit nonsensical but I am willing to change the word “traditional” to “indigenous” so that it's consistent throughout the bill. I'm also adding “Subject to section 119”. I'm doing that on the floor because that's a qualifier that Mr. Bossio adds in his amendment, so I'm quite willing to add his qualifier.
Amendment LIB-20 would put in the qualifier, “Subject to section 119”.
11:15 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Hold on. Well, it's up to the Liberals to do this, but you could change amendment LIB-20 to add it after, to make it new subsection 28(3.2). I think that would accomplish what you're trying to do.
11:15 a.m.
NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
Well, I'm first on the floor, so I would welcome an amendment from the Liberals to add, “Subject to section 119”, and to change the word “traditional” to “indigenous”.
11:15 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Sorry. Just to make sure I understand, your subamendment is to add “Subject to section 119” at the beginning of your new subsection 28(3.1)—
11:15 a.m.
NDP
11:15 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Okay. I am being told that's not the way it goes. You can't amend your own amendment. It has to be from someone else.
You would have had to bring forward an amended amendment.
11:15 a.m.
Liberal
Mike Bossio Liberal Hastings—Lennox and Addington, ON
Chair, just to speak to this amendment, I am proposing an amendment, LIB-20. Like this one, it would require assessment reports to describe how indigenous knowledge was used, and once again, as Ms. Duncan has already indicated, by ensuring this is done subject to section 119, the amendment that I'm proposing would also ensure this knowledge is protected. We're perfectly happy to go with our amendment, LIB-20.
11:15 a.m.
NDP
Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB
We don't want to vote for anything NDP. Let's just vote and make it a Liberal amendment, as long as it gets in.
11:15 a.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Deb Schulte
Thank you, Linda. Given that the rules are that you can't amend your own amendment, we have amendment NDP-32 as it stands. Shall the amendment carry?
11:15 a.m.
Conservative
Ed Fast Conservative Abbotsford, BC
I would like a recorded vote.
(Amendment negatived: nays 8; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])