They always need start-up capital—capex—to get these facilities up and running. That's always the big hurdle and that's what you kind of need to do with government incentives. The Alliance to End Plastic Waste that I referred to—which is a very large fund—is looking at some of these start-up costs, which are really the hurdle to get into break-even economics.
The facilities are not very expensive. Obviously, they're highly scalable, but they're in the $10 million to $20 million range. You can get some of these up and running to handle basically all of the waste plastics in most municipalities. The capital investment is not very much, so the government's strategic innovation fund and other funding mechanisms are perfect opportunities. We'd like to see those expanded and more money put into them because there's a lot of opportunity coming forward.
McKinsey, a large consulting firm, put forward a paper about a year ago now—I can't remember—that talked about the fact that there is a 30—