The answer to your question about products versus materials is sometimes one and sometimes the other. There are certain plastic products that we use that are totally unnecessary . The single-use plastic ban in the EU really targeted those things.Those are some of these plastic bags, cutlery, plates and things like that that we just don't need. We can't continue to have more and more of this plastic being produced all the time to get to the reduction point. We need to figure out the plastics that are unnecessary and for which alternatives exist and get them out. Ban those plastics.
We would also say we're going to ban certain types of plastics, such as those that are toxic and those that cannot be recycled. You could add a third criteria and say those that end up in the environment in great degree. That's why we're going at those single-use plastics. It's not a one size fits all; it's a bunch of different reasons and methodologies for sorting out what needs to be banned.