Because saving on some photocopying is great, but the ambition is so much greater in what John originally constructed in that Parliament.
So I come back that if we say this is good and this is important, then by the way it's been described so far the government is not treating it as important. I'm trying to remember if there are other directives. When the government came in and said to a deputy minister, “You need to shed 5% of your workforce” and it was connected directly to their pay and benefits, it happened. It was very rare, with one exception at Transport, that it didn't happen.
Why is this treated so less seriously, and if it is treated less seriously, then it sounds as if we need to move it out of Environment into something much more significant.