I don't see a simple answer. The curiosity is why we went so easy on Volkswagen. Again, there was no threat of elimination of investment or jobs.
That brings me to the second point. I don't think that simply under CEPA levying fines on corporations that can't meet the protection targets is the answer all of the time. In fact, monies could be used to try to teach and enhance environmental protections through companies. Mr. Winfield mentioned the pulp and paper mill a few times, which is a concern, but there are opportunities and there is much employment happening in those facilities. If we were to use some of those monies to enhance the environmental protections rather than simply levying fines, we would not only protect the industries in Canada but also certainly make some progress on environmental protection.