Evidence of meeting #108 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was price.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Associate Deputy Minister, Department of the Environment
Thanks for the question. Yes, we are on track for the 2026 target, and that would constitute the first time that one of these targets has been met.
In terms of that individual year, I don't know, Derek, if you have that handy or not.
Director General, Economic Analysis Directorate, Department of the Environment
For 2026...? Yes. Our latest projections, published in December of 2023, show that we're on track to meet that interim objective.
Liberal
Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON
Thank you.
Roughly what percentage of Canada's emissions reduction efforts by 2030 is attributable to the pollution pricing system across Canada?
Associate Deputy Minister, Department of the Environment
We have it in a range of 31% to 36%. The range is a result of whether or not you count land use, land use changes in forestry, as part of the calculation.
Liberal
Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON
Approximately what percentage of on-farm emissions does carbon pollution pricing apply to? For emissions that carbon pricing applies to, what rebates are available to offset costs while preserving the price signal from pollution pricing to incentivize emissions reduction efforts?
Associate Deputy Minister, Department of the Environment
On farm fuels...?
Associate Deputy Minister, Department of the Environment
There's an exemption for the carbon tax for the fossil fuels used in farm operations, and then John can correct me if I have this wrong, but I think there's also a refundable tax credit for the fuels that might be used for crops and so forth.
Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
I have a point of order. That's false.
Please define “farm fuels”. Are you talking about what's going in a tractor, or are you talking about grain—
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
It's not a point of order, but feel free to answer the question.
Conservative
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
It's not a point of order. We have to continue. We're near the end. We have about 40 seconds.
Who was answering Mr. Ali's question?
Mr. Hanson, go ahead.
Associate Deputy Minister, Department of the Environment
Can you repeat the first part of your question?
I should note, by the way, just in answer to the other.... In terms of the fuels I was referring to, it's gasoline and the light fuel oil, also known as diesel.
Liberal
Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON
What percentage of on-farm fuel emissions does pollution pricing apply to?
Associate Deputy Minister, Department of the Environment
I'm sorry. I don't have that number in front of me.
Liberal
Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON
It's fascinating to see how Mr. Mazier from the Conservatives interrupted officials who were responding to my question and confused the situation—
Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
It's because it was false. It's a false statement.
Liberal
Shafqat Ali Liberal Brampton Centre, ON
That's what the Conservatives are doing to confuse Canadians.
Officials were responding to my question and he interrupted and wasted the time. That's what these guys are doing to filibuster.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia
The time is up.
It was a very interesting conversation from where I sat. I think we learned a lot.
We'll see everyone on Thursday. We're going back to the finance study on Thursday.
Thank you to the witnesses. It's always a pleasure to have you.
Have a good evening, members.