Environment Committee on Oct. 30th, 2024

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

Should I do the clock?

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Continue on. You have a minute left.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

A minute left.... It's a five-minute round.

[An hon. member]

Challenge the chair.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

Yes. This is crazy.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Okay, I rounded up. It's 38 seconds. There you go.

[Branden Leslie, Conservative, Portage—Lisgar, MB]

Sure. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Do you have any comments about the other sectors?

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

I'm sorry, but I'd like to challenge the chair.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Are you challenging the chair on time?

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

Yes. It's way over, man.

We all have our own clocks, too.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Look, they have 38 seconds left. Let's finish the round. You guys get five minutes, as well. We're running behind as it is.

[Gérard Deltell, Conservative, Louis-Saint-Laurent, QC]

Folks, we lost the last two minutes talking about time. Move on.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Okay, Mr. Leslie.

[Branden Leslie, Conservative, Portage—Lisgar, MB]

Go ahead, Ms. Péloffy.

[Karine Péloffy]

The fossil fuel industry is responsible for 80% of global warming to date. I think it deserves singling out in terms of advertising bans. For all other matters of greenwashing, this Parliament adopted changes to the Competition Act, which I think, for now, sort of address the issue for the economy as a whole.

[Branden Leslie, Conservative, Portage—Lisgar, MB]

The government included nuclear energy as part of their green bond framework.

Do you support the inclusion of nuclear energy in that?

[Karine Péloffy]

I can't answer that question.

[Branden Leslie, Conservative, Portage—Lisgar, MB]

Okay.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

Mr. van Koeverden, you have the last round of five minutes.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Ms. Péloffy, I'd like to start with you.

The line of questioning implied that a taxonomy would shut down production, completely halt the production of oil and gas in Canada, or even cause people to be thrown in jail, as was just implied by the Conservatives. That's a lot of hysteria about a list for how we define “green” in Canada.

Would people be thrown in jail? Are we talking about shutting down production just by having definitions for the words “green” and “sustainable”?

[Karine Péloffy]

I believe there might be a certain degree of confusion. The taxonomy is about defining things Canada will consider to be solutions. It will be a voluntary standard. It will definitely not put anyone in jail.

I think what your colleague was referring to, perhaps, was the change to the Competition Act that you passed last June, where the absolute maximum penalty—

[Branden Leslie, Conservative, Portage—Lisgar, MB]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

I could offer clarity. It's NDP MP Charlie Angus's private member's bill, as I said.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

I hope my time has been paused.

[The Vice-Chair, Conservative, Dan Mazier]

It has.

It wasn't a point of order, so go on with your questioning.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

Thank you.

Thanks, Ms. Péloffy.

I'd like to ask Ms. Hubert the same question.