The way we think about this basic problem is that it's like any other form of utility infrastructure—for example, water infrastructure or sewage infrastructure—where value needs to be put on an avoided emission. The government is the only entity that can do that. It's started to do that with the carbon tax.
Basically, the investors in the carbon capture equipment and that infrastructure need to know that there's a rate of return for their invested capital. We can look at models like municipal utility infrastructure and how we reduce the cost of capital so that every dollar of public money that goes into this on the investment tax credit achieves the largest number of tonnes. We have to reduce the risk as much as possible for the capital providers that invest in this space.