Evidence of meeting #133 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was target.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jerry V. DeMarco  Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, Office of the Auditor General
Kimberley Leach  Principal, Office of the Auditor General
Rinaldo Jeanty  Assistant Deputy Minister, Lands and Minerals Sector, Department of Natural Resources
André Bernier  Director General, Electricity Resources Branch, Department of Natural Resources
Vincent Ngan  Assistant Deputy Minister, Climate Change Branch, Department of the Environment
James McKenzie  Principal, Office of the Auditor General

5:40 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Climate Change Branch, Department of the Environment

Vincent Ngan

I'm not able to answer on behalf of the department.

That being said, different objectives and deliverables are set in a particular year. I do not believe any particular official would be asked to be accountable for an objective that is a shared jurisdiction between the federal government, provinces and territories.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

Is there a chance that they can get a bonus? It seems clear that those at the political level are not held accountable for when the failures exist. Are there performance bonuses if targets are met, or if they're not?

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I don't think the Department of Environment is Exxon. I don't think it's a business. I don't think you get bonuses if you meet a certain sales target.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Branden Leslie Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

I mean, the CBC does.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

That's my understanding, but what do I know?

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

[Technical difficulty—Editor] government department is a public broadcaster?

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Anyway, time's up. We'll go now to Mr. van Koeverden.

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Before I start, I gave a notice of motion on Monday. It has been 48 hours, so I would like to move the following motion:

That the committee invite the Minister of Environment and Climate Change to testify on the Supplementary Estimates (B) by no later than the end of the current supply period.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I think it's pretty straightforward. I can't imagine this not receiving unanimous consent from the committee. We want the minister to come and speak to the supplementary estimates (B).

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

I have an amendment.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

You have an amendment?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Yes.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay. Go ahead.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

It would read, “and instruct the chair to schedule this meeting for two hours outside of the schedule adopted on Friday, November 15, to ensure that all matters agreed to are not replaced to provide the minister with more flexibility in appearing at committee.”

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Can you explain what that means, exactly?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Basically, it's to make sure he doesn't get out of the other meetings he has committed to.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

No. It would be in addition to those.

Adam van Koeverden Liberal Milton, ON

Did you circulate it, Mr. Mazier?

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Can I see it, Mr. Mazier?

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

Sure.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

I understand that it's in addition to. It's not [Technical difficulty—Editor] outside the schedule adopted.

Excuse me, Commissioner. I apologize. This is important, because we want to look at the supplementary estimates (B).

The problem with the wording of the subamendment, I think, is that it basically says we should not have this meeting on a Tuesday or Thursday and outside the schedule adopted on Friday. That's the way I read it. There are so many moving parts in the schedule right now. Honestly, I think it complicates the matter.

In my view, the motion does not suggest that the minister would substitute his appearance on supplementary estimates (B) for anything that was in the motion Friday. I would just ask the committee to take it on faith that the minister is not going to try to get out of another meeting that he was invited to be at.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

I guess that as long as we ensure that resources are around, if something needs to happen, could we even extend meetings while we're sitting on Monday and Wednesday—

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes. Take it on good faith here. The idea is for him to come. It's an additional meeting with the minister. We get an additional meeting with the minister.

5:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB

It's a bonus.

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

If you don't mind withdrawing the amendment, I think it's pretty clear that he's coming an additional time. It's not to substitute.