Environment Committee on Nov. 27th, 2024

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I didn't hear what the member said.

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

I'll say it again.

I said that she doesn't want to talk about the bill that we are supposed to talk about. It's Bill C-73, and I—

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

No, Madame Chatel, you said—

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I see a question mark at the end of that. Does she not want to talk about the bill?

You can answer that, Mrs. Collins, and go on with your question.

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

I asked the chair to make a ruling on this. It is unparliamentary to impute motives to another member, and so I would appreciate a ruling, first of all. The member said that I don't want the bill to pass. This is a very important bill to me.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I'm sure you want the bill to pass.

Madame Chatel, tell me that that wasn't what you meant, and then we can move on. You do believe that we all, as members of the committee, want the bill to pass.

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

I honestly wondered whether we could talk to this, and it begs the question that if she doesn't want to talk about the bill—

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

This is actually a conditional.... It's clearly not a withdrawal, an apology—

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

This is really not productive.

Let's start over.

Ms. Collins, why don't you ask your question from the top?

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

Just for clarity, Mr. Chair, are you ruling?

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I am ruling that we should not impugn the motives of others on this committee.

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

Can I ask for an apology and a withdrawal, please, then?

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

You can ask for an apology, but I—

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

I am actually asking through the chair. Can the chair ask for an apology and a withdrawal?

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Madame Chatel, I'm sure you didn't mean it.

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

I apologize. I didn't mean it.

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

Thank you.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Okay.

I did stop the clock, but let's keep going.

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

Minister, this is a very important bill to me.

Biodiversity is incredibly important. Emissions reduction is incredibly important, and these things are connected, and I think you know that deep down. I think you know that when a government buys a pipeline that will expand the oil sands, to ship—

[Lloyd Longfield, Liberal, Guelph, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair.

She is imputing some things with regard to the minister, that he's thinking something that he hasn't expressed.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Once again, I must tell you that I intend to be done here at 6:30, so we may not get to a second round of questions at this rate.

Ms. Collins, I think you had a good question there, and I think the answer would enlighten all of us, so can we just move on with the question?

[Laurel Collins, NDP, Victoria, BC]

I would like to ask the minister if he's ready to admit that buying the Trans Mountain pipeline was a mistake.

[Leah Taylor Roy, Liberal, Aurora—Oak Ridges—Richmond Hill, ON]

I have a point of order.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

Oh, come on.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

What's the point of order?