Thank you so much for the question.
I appreciate this is a challenging topic, for the reasons you outlined. Our position is that the overall emphasis of the act needs to be on replacing and reducing the use of animals, and not just refining the way they're used, but as you note, they'll still be used in science, and I take that point. What I've proposed in the brief is that at the very least, perhaps what we could do is take that out of the preamble in clause 2, because those are sort of these visionary provisions, and have those focus on the replacement of animals entirely, but allow for refinement to come in in other places, though.
I have great respect for Dr. Charu Chandrasekera. I do also think that the proposal that she put forward around restraining what refinement looks like could also have the same effect.