Evidence of meeting #44 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was definition.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Moffet  Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Greg Carreau  Director General, Safe Environments Directorate, Department of Health
Laura Farquharson  Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

(Subamendment withdrawn)

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Mr. Chair, can I move a different subamendment?

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes, apparently you can.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Wonderful.

Instead of “include”, the amendment would be to put “may include”. The intention behind this is to provide greater clarity and to address some of the concerns Mr. Moffet raised around some indigenous individuals who wouldn't necessarily want to be included in this list.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Do we need to debate that, or can we go to a vote on this new subamendment?

We'll go to a vote.

(Subamendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The subamendment is not carried. Are we ready to vote on the amendment?

(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

PV-4 is negatived. We now move on to PV-5. It is deemed moved.

Ms. May, would you like to give a brief explanation?

4:45 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Yes. The principles that are put forward in PV-5 are already in the act in various places. This is to provide a definition. Definitions are included in PV-5 for “intergenerational equity”, “non-regression” and “polluter pays”; where “non-regression” is not in the act, it is useful to have the definitions in place, as scientific advances may mean that the government continues to want to amend the act in future. Thank you.

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

PV-5 is negatived.

(Clause 4 agreed to on division)

(On clause 5)

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

We're now at G‑6, and I must advise you that if it's adopted, PV‑6, BQ‑3 and NDP‑10 cannot be moved, since all four amendments amend the same line of the bill.

Does any member of the government want to move G‑6?

Go ahead, Mr. Weiler.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Patrick Weiler Liberal West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country, BC

Mr. Chair, given that there are some active discussions happening among the parties with respect to this clause, I'm going to move to have this clause be stood and for us to return to it after we have gone through some of the other clauses.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Is everybody in agreement with Mr. Weiler's motion to stand G-6?

I'm told it's the whole thing. Mr. Weiler wants to stand clause 5. Apparently, you have to stand the whole clause. The legislative clerk says it's the whole thing.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Can we suspend for a moment?

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes, we can.

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Are we back in business?

Are you moving that we allow clause 5 to stand?

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

Patrick Weiler Liberal West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country, BC

I moved that.

(Amendment allowed to stand)

(Clause 5 allowed to stand)

4:55 p.m.

Green

Elizabeth May Green Saanich—Gulf Islands, BC

Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. Does that mean that amendment PV-6 is stood before being heard at all, and that we'll come back to it later?

4:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes.

(On clause 5.1)

Now we have amendment G-7. Who would like to move that?

5 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Mr. Chair, I will move that.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Do you have anything to say about it?

5 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

I think it's straightforward, Mr. Chair. I would open the floor to commentary, but then I'd be doing your job. Someday maybe....

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes, maybe.

Madame Pauzé.

5 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Pauzé Bloc Repentigny, QC

The French version says “Contenu du Registre", while the English version says “Contents of Environmental Registry”. So the French version should be “Contenu du Registre environnemental".

Does this require a subamendment or can we simply correct this oversight?

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

That's a question for Mr. Duguid, then, I guess.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

I don't have an answer. Maybe Mr. Moffet....

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Maybe Mr. Moffet can tell us.

Mr. Moffet, in the French version, do we need to add the adjective “environnemental” so that it's “Registre environnemental”, or is it intentional that it says only “Registre”?

December 13th, 2022 / 5 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

John Moffet

The registry has been in the act since 1999. I can't tell you why, but it has been referred to in this way since then as “Registre” only in French and “Environmental Registry” in English, so this is just retaining that inconsistent approach.

I don't think it creates a problem, but I appreciate that the wording is different in French and English.