Evidence of meeting #52 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vote.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Laura Farquharson  Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

4:15 p.m.

Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Regardless of why we're doing it, that's what we're trying to do.

Go ahead, Ms. Farquharson.

4:15 p.m.

Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Laura Farquharson

If clause 10 is adopted, then all the duplication happens. It's 10.1 and 11.1 that you probably need to.... It's where the duplication happens.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

It's all because of duplication. We have to get rid of 10.1 and 11.

4:15 p.m.

Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Laura Farquharson

There's a duplication and a reference. If you pass clause 10, there is a reference to a paragraph that will no longer exist.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Okay.

That's what we're doing. We're deleting 10.1 and 11 to avoid duplication. That's what it all comes down to. Is that correct?

4:15 p.m.

Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Laura Farquharson

I think you carried clauses 10.1 and 11.1, and they need to be reconsidered or you'll have duplication in proposed section 56. You'll have two 56s and two 60s.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

When you say “reconsidered”...?

4:15 p.m.

Director General, Legislative and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Protection Branch, Department of the Environment

Laura Farquharson

I don't know. That's why I was hesitating. That's yours. That's for you to say.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Mr. Duguid is saying that they need to be deleted.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

Greg McLean Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

Mr. Duguid, I think it's because of what we just passed. Is that correct? This has become—

4:15 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Yes. When we passed NDP-13, that's the reason for this.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

That's what we're doing—

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

Would it be helpful for you to have a time out?

4:20 p.m.

An hon. member

Yes. Thank you.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

This is how it's been explained to me.

Basically, I assume that we want, for technical reasons, to delete 10.1 and 11.1. We can't just do it by voting on them, because we've gone past them. We have to bring them back in and then vote against them.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Damien Kurek Conservative Battle River—Crowfoot, AB

Is there unanimous consent to adopt what is being proposed?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Terry Duguid Liberal Winnipeg South, MB

We have to have unanimous consent to revote.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

To bring them back in, yes, and then we can vote to delete them.

The motion will be to delete 10.1 and then the next motion will be to delete 11.1.

Go ahead, Ms. Collins.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Right now, we're just on the unanimous consent proposal to bring them back in.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Yes, to bring them back in.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Laurel Collins NDP Victoria, BC

Then, once that happens, the committee can decide. I'm hesitant to give unanimous consent to bring these back in to be potentially deleted until I hear more from the officials. I would love to ask them some questions.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

We heard a little bit before, but we can always hear more.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Wetaskiwin, AB

On a point of order, I just want to make sure that this is a debatable motion.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Francis Scarpaleggia

Do you mean the unanimous consent one?

To answer your question, Mr. Lake, it's not debatable, but we can still get some information from the....

Go ahead, please, Ms. Farquharson.