Environment Committee on Nov. 30th, 2023

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Mr. Mazier, do you agree?

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

Sure.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

We're not going to order; we're going to request.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

Yes.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Madame Chatel, go ahead.

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

One of the important elements we need to study are developments in Europe concerning carbon price adjustments on imported products.

Other countries are also implementing carbon pricing—Canada is not alone. Countries without carbon pricing will be charged for importing their goods. Europe is proving to be a leader, as is California.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

One moment, Mrs. Chatel, there is a point of order.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

I don't know what the relevance is. We're just asking for a report. She's talking about carbon tax on imports. I don't know what that has to do with it.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

We're talking about carbon pricing.

Carry on, Mrs. Chatel.

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

I propose we have a report on this because it's closely tied to the future. Unfortunately for the Conservatives, without carbon pricing, we will no longer be competitive internationally.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Are you proposing an amendment?

[Sophie Chatel, Liberal, Pontiac, QC]

I'm proposing an amendment so that we can also study carbon pricing adjustments at other countries' borders. This would be very important for the Canadian economy.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

The amendment is in order.

It's pushing the envelope, but I rule that it's receivable.

Do you have the exact wording, Mrs. Chatel?

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

Chair, I have a point of order.

Just so the witnesses know, this is totally not planned at all. This should have been two minutes and done. Now we're going to turn it into 20 minutes.

It's just so the witnesses know.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

I hope it's not a point of debate.

Go ahead.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

We're currently dealing with a motion from the Conservatives. It was their decision to bring it forward.

[Dan Mazier, Conservative, Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB]

It's an amendment.

[Adam van Koeverden, Liberal, Milton, ON]

You didn't have to bring the motion forward.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

We're not going to argue that point.

I would like to see Madame Chatel's amendment in writing.

With the vote coming and with debates on the motion, I think we may have to have the witnesses back.

Would that be all right with you, Mr. Pentland?

[Ralph Pentland]

I can come back any time.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Okay, Mr. Pentland would be fine with coming back.

If we could find a mutually convenient date, would the witnesses online be available to come back to answer questions to finish off this segment of the agenda today?

[Zita Botelho]

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[Bryan Gilvesy]

Yes, of course.

[The Chair, Liberal, Francis Scarpaleggia]

Okay. Perfect.

I'm going to excuse the witnesses at this point. Hopefully we can get through this quickly, so that we can have our second panel.

Ms. Pauzé, you have the floor.