Evidence of meeting #92 for Environment and Sustainable Development in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was corson.
A recording is available from Parliament.
12:45 p.m.
Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
As I said earlier, the Bank of Canada has stated that carbon pricing in Canada contributes 0.15% to inflation. It is not a driver, it's not even contributing 1% to inflation.
We have been discussing with the Chiefs of Ontario, for a while now, how we can compensate them. That was part of the program from the get-go of the application of carbon pricing.
12:45 p.m.
Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Minister, you haven't answered the question. Do you believe that the Chiefs of Ontario and the Assembly of First Nations are spreading misinformation by saying that the carbon tax is unaffordable and unfair?
12:45 p.m.
Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
As I said earlier, we understand that for remote indigenous communities, there are different realities in terms of being able to have alternatives to the use of fossil fuels. That is why we're working with them, so they can become—
12:45 p.m.
Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
I said earlier that 90% of the revenues from carbon pricing go directly back to families. The other 10% is for organizations or nations like these indigenous nations, so that they can be compensated for the application of carbon pricing on their communities.
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
No, I don't think it's unfair, because we are finding mechanisms to compensate them.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Can you promise Canadians that your government will never raise carbon tax higher than $170 a tonne?
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
We've made a determination until 2030. We haven't made any determination for what will happen after 2030.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
You once said that you wouldn't raise the carbon tax, and then you raised the carbon tax after an election. After 2030, will you never go over $170 a tonne?
12:45 p.m.
Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
I respectfully disagree with the characterization of what we said. We said that the price on pollution would increase until 2022, and then we said we would make an assessment to determine whether or not it should continue. That's exactly what we did.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
You're not committing to not going over $170 a tonne and increasing cost to Canadians.
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Liberal
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Did you call any senators to discuss Bill C-234?
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Liberal
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
Did you call any senators to discuss Bill C-234?
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
I had conversations with five or six senators, yes.
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Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
You said five or six senators. What are their names?
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
Yes, it was five or six. I don't have the names with me.
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Conservative
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Liberal
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Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
I did not bully anyone, as opposed to some Conservative senators who had to apologize in the Senate for bullying in some of their comments over Bill C-234. I had conversations. As you know, we don't tell senators how to vote or what to do.
12:50 p.m.
Conservative
Dan Mazier Conservative Dauphin—Swan River—Neepawa, MB
That's okay.
If you can pass on those names, that's great.
Will your clean fuel regulations increase the cost of gas and diesel for Canadians?
12:50 p.m.
Liberal
Steven Guilbeault Liberal Laurier—Sainte-Marie, QC
I'd be happy to provide technical information on the projections between now and 2030 in terms of the application of the clean fuel standards. This information is public, but I don't have it in front of me.
As you know, when we develop regulations, we have to develop what's called the regulatory impact assessment statement, which provides technical information—