The general feeling, more broadly, from farmers is that they want to be in at the ground floor. They want to be there because they have a perspective and knowledge that others don't. When it comes to agriculture, it's been passed on for generations. In most cases, it's from their parents. A parent has passed it on to their child. They've learned and seen throughout the years what has and hasn't worked through trial and error and the loss of lots of dollars. They've seen successes as well. That's the thing.
There have been some efforts to include producers in consultations. I won't dispute that. I've been at many of those consultation sessions. However, when you're consulting with farmers, having them in at the ground floor and having them shape the discussion is key.